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Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#71
Weirdly, searching for

'shirt no stripes'

on Google returned this web page at top of the organic results.

So at some point, searching for a shirt online will involve this conversation. Even more confusing.

(Although I expect my filter bubble will play a part in that)

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#72
I would never search for something this way. If I wanted to find a 4WD car, I wouldn't search for "cars without 2WD."

Likewise, here, I would search for solid-colored shirts.

And these services are limited to the content/terminology utilized by the cataloged sites/products.

If I am selling a "black shirt" or a "solid black shirt," it is not google's job to catalog it as a "shirt without stripes," unless I advertise it as a "black shirt without stripes."

I would use natural language to test a services' NLP ability.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#73
post #13

The point of this isn't asking how to apply boolean search operators, it's showing that the largest AI-focused companies in the world absolutely suck at NLP.

I'd go as far as saying "AI" is only as good as someone has taken the time to program the use case.

Yes, basically 1990s Expert Systems but with even more manual labor.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#75
post #13

The point of this isn't asking how to apply boolean search operators, it's showing that the largest AI-focused companies in the world absolutely suck at NLP.

Every systems sucks at NLP. It is an extremely hard problem and we are nowhere near matching the human cerebral cortex.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd go as far as saying "AI" is only as good as someone has taken the time to program the use case.

Huh? It's supposed to be the opposite, hence the "I"

The term has been bastardized. AI is now any app that uses if statements, so long as it's obscured to the user. So now "AGI" exists, because apparently the word "general" now means "intelligent", unlike "intelligence".

At some point in the future marketers will learn about AGI, and we'll have to make yet another term, maybe artificial general practical intelligence?

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#77
post #28

To me, the most interesting implication here is that this must not adversely affect Google's ad revenue. If it did, they would surely fix it. This, in turn, means that apparently we have been trained to interface with search engines such that this is not a problem. Sometimes I wonder how much my brain has changed to use search engines / how much of it is dedicated to effective googling. Makes me feel like a cyborg.

The other day I found that googling something like “mesothelioma -lawyer” will exclude results with “lawyer” but all the ads will still be for lawyers and contain the word “lawyer”. I guess because they leave it up to the advertiser to determine the negative match words and that seems to always have priority.

Similar thing happens on Twitter. If you mute a phrase it will block organic content including the phrase from appearing in your timeline, except ads including the muted terms still appear in your timeline.

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/advanced-twitter-m...

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#78
post #33

My favorite was "What do vegetarians eat" which was broken for years: https://twitter.com/Caust1c/status/855193855422943234

I'm significantly more concerned about what humanitarians eat, especially in today's economy.

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#79
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I expect to get results that contain the keywords "shirt", "stripes", and "without", but perhaps with the last term ignored. Why, what would you expect? Would you search for "shirts that don't have stripes"? Or "shirts lacking stripes"?

This is the only interface you really get into the amazon catalog. What if you really are looking for shirts that don't have stripes? How would you formulate the query?

Like Google, Amazon is supposed to support the - operator, but, also like Google, it's not clear whether it does anything at the moment. As others here have suggested, maybe "solid shirts"?

Re: Shirt Without Stripes

#80

I would never search for something this way. If I wanted to find a 4WD car, I wouldn't search for "cars without 2WD." Likewise, here, I would search for solid-colored shirts. And these services are limited to the content/terminology utilized by the cataloged sites/products. If I am selling a "black shirt" or a "solid black shirt," it is not google's job to catalog it as a "shirt without stripes," unless I advertise i…

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