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Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pedrosorio »

jquery wrote: post #58
vpa10 wrote: post #6

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This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.

People are reading a bit too much into this loss. It is a big deal that someone was able to beat Magnus Carlsen at any time control, especially in this era where Magnus has seemingly reached a new level of chess skill, but bullet is by far the the easiest for a champion to make a mistake or series of them. Magnus is ridiculously strong at bullet but I’ve watched his live-streams and sometimes he blunders really badly…

“Although he is incredibly strong at bullet, probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2”

Are you forgetting about Hikaru Nakamura?

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pedrosorio »

tmalsburg2 wrote: post #32
Simon_says wrote: post #27

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You're getting downvoted because your doubts are easily falsified by a search. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/norwegian-teen-top...

Point taken, but to my taste it's quite disrespectful to refer to the best player in the world as just "Norwegian teen".

I think you will find that focusing a bit less on subjective notions of “respect” and not being offended by innocuous things will make your life a lot less stressful.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mrosett wrote: post #54
hyperbovine wrote: post #46

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With chess you do not stand a nontrivial chance of dying each time you take to the field. So not the same, it seems to me.

The dominant risk when I ski is traveling to and from the resort. So I suppose your point stands if you only play from home. Even so, it seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

Maybe for you the travel to skiing is dominant, but I've known many people (UK acquaintances) who've been injured skiing but none who've been injured on route to go skiing. And that's just leisure skiing, in racing I'd imagine injuries are far more common.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by throwaway6575 »

lgl wrote: post #55
decasteve wrote: post #49

I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

He's literally a kid, give him a break.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by jon_elbrook »

__s wrote: post #67
lgl wrote: post #55

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Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

>Basically have some empathy

Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

nal100 wrote: post #41
dmit wrote: post #38

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In fact, it was Magnus himself (currently 29 years old, as of April 2020) who said his favorite chess player was himself, when he was around 23. That Magnus apparently saw things on the board that current (overwhelmingly dominant) Magnus can't any more. So even in chess there's a physical prime, just like in pretty much any other sport.

He said that (jokingly) before his fabulous 2019 year. Right now he's spending a lot of time promoting chess24 with banter blitz, hanging around on lichess playing 100 games bullet matches, commenting on chess24 and other things that would profoundly ruin anyone else's concentration. So, no big deal if he very occasionally loses (online!) games.

Carlsen losing is exceptionally good advertising, and makes him the center of more attention.

It reminds me of the tennis player John McEnroe, win or lose we remember him for his outbursts, he made a lot of advertising money because of that.

In short, Carlsen was probably beaten, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he was just winning at a different game (exposure or money).

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by V-2 »

1337shadow wrote: post #63
searchableguy wrote: post #18

:) I wonder how good a random person from HN will be at chess. Let's figure it out - https://lichess.org/0wzDnVfy update: better than me. lol Created a hn tournament (finished): https://lichess.org/tournament/rWPYf1fK Created a second tournament: https://lichess.org/tournament/Wg6CHtmp

Thanks for playing ! Can't believe I made it 2nd, first podium of a tournament for me xD Another haxor created a team we can all join to keep in touch: https://lichess.org/team/hacker-news GLHF ;)

Cool! I'm on board, as Vibov. Let's play sometime

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by vageli »

jon_elbrook wrote: post #75
__s wrote: post #67

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That didn't seem so bad. You can see with how much he was toppling pieces that he was having trouble with nerves, which would make the situation all the more frustrating. When players have an increment to play with rules should be decisive on "loss on time is a loss, doesn't matter the position". But here we have some edgecase which settles on some crazy sequence for black to ever win (if white didn't have pawns, the…

>Basically have some empathy Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

> >Basically have some empathy

> Why doesn't the person im supposed to empathise with instead empathise with his opponent and not throw a tantrum?

Because he's a kid and we often have differing expectations for children than we do adults.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by throwaway6575 »

im3w1l wrote: post #10
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #4

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I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

And I thought short time controls were Magnus' forte. I guess it may be the one where age related decline sets in the quickest.

Magnus is so incredibly strong that people think he's about to decline when suffering one (1) loss from another rising star in a niche online format. This is like when Capablanca didn't lose a single game between 1917 and 1924 and everyone acted like "the Schachmachine ist kaputt" when he broke his streak. The fact is that competition is incredibly tough and differences betwene player levels are imperceptible to all but the very most trained eyes. In fact that's why championships need so many games and tie-breakers - the people are so equal in ability that the most likely result from a match between to top level players is a draw.
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