To opt-out you need to upload a clear photo, this is more rishy..
Opt out of Clearview.ai
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#72Is there a way to "poison" the results of Clearview by adding images of yourself over a short period time that distort your features?
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#73I have a better idea - how about instead of giving them even more identifying information, we file a class action lawsuit instead?
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#74Should every person start keeping a list of all privacy intrusions and then opt out? That’s never going to work out due to user fatigue, which is what all these opt out platforms depend on (that nobody will go through the trouble of doing it). (Not exactly the same) Just like Facebook announced a few years ago asking users to send it nude photos just so it could take down nude photos of that person, this also is ripe…
I think people should probably stop using what we cutely call “the open web” when really it’s just another closed social network of financial interests distracting people from their lives It’s essentially a filter bubble for finance ideas You’re all doing it again, making “too big to fail” ideas that filter the benefits towards a minority (aka TV, and religion to an extent; utilitarian value aside, bubbles controlled…
Could you please stop creating accounts for every few comments you post? We ban accounts that do that. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
You needn't use your real name of course, but for HN to be a community, users need some identity for others to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
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#75For anyone with more legal knowledge than I have, how does scraping and processing social media and other image sources deal with copyright license, especially ones forbidding commercial use. I feel like there's a meaningful legal difference between a totally public, open to be downloaded image of you from the internet, even storing it forever, and then using that in a product. It would be like taking something with…
I've been wondering the same thing. The photo either belongs to the user or to Facebook, just because it's viewable on the site doesn't give Clearview the right to use it. It must be a violation of the terms of service and I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from Facebook about it.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can't prevent it from being built, but you can prevent people making a profit on it
You can prevent people from making a profit on it... in the legal marketplace*, in the US/EU†. You don't think people would pay serious crypto for access to this? Or that states with different "ethics" wouldn't pay for it?
Oh absolutely - Considering what clearview did was replicated by a few individual researchers, I'm sure any government or private entity that wants to build s system like this has.
But I think most people here would fight against those systems once discovered, and there's no reason to allow clearview to profit now.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which category are you in? I just submitted an access request under the EU resident category. If I don't get a response I will consider making another request in writing.
CCPA here. I submitted an info request, a data-deletion request, and an opt-out request. I got 0 responses. At what point does an investigator take a look at this?
I would hope the state of California would care. I have no idea how you're meant to try to enforce your rights under CCPA other than by hiring a lawyer.
I filed a complaint with my local data protection authority a couple of years back. We had to integrate a credit reporting API and I noticed that it required no authentication other than a username. I also observed that who was preforming the check was a field we could specify in the request and it was not validated (I did a check on myself with the SoapUI default of '?'). I did not receive a response. So unfortunately I think our options for actually enforcing our rights are probably limited.
Still, I guess we'll find out if Clearview takes GDPR any more seriously than CCPA.
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#78For anyone with more legal knowledge than I have, how does scraping and processing social media and other image sources deal with copyright license, especially ones forbidding commercial use. I feel like there's a meaningful legal difference between a totally public, open to be downloaded image of you from the internet, even storing it forever, and then using that in a product. It would be like taking something with…
I've been wondering the same thing. The photo either belongs to the user or to Facebook, just because it's viewable on the site doesn't give Clearview the right to use it. It must be a violation of the terms of service and I'm surprised we haven't heard anything from Facebook about it.
They say they scraped the open web - so for example this would include many of our personal sites, many of which have profile pictures.
For myself, I took the picture on my site, and it's under a: Attribution, NonCommercial, NoDerivatives CC license. I'd argue that
1. Using my/anyone's profile picture in an AI system for profit is commercial use. 2. A neural network is a derivative work of all images used to train that network.
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#79As a California or EU resident, shouldn't it be illegal for it to be opt-out? (edit: on further reading it looks like GDPR requires opt in, while CCPA seems to only require opt in for people younger than 16, and requires opt-out for people 16 or older, which is some bullshit) Regardless, I should be able to say "I'm opting out" and the onus should be on them to figure out how to do it, rather than me submitting enoug…
GDPR puts the picture of a person under special protection. They need to ask for your permission if they want to store and process it. Additionally they are required to provide to you a copy of all information they have stored about you. Probably they claim that they deleted the pictures after they completed the training of their neuronal networks. I'd watch court proceedings, that try to figure out if the auto-encoded version of a picture still is under GDPR protection.
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#80Their opt out system is driven by typeform.com. I'm not familiar with this service, but it seems to have caps of at most 10k opt out requests per month and 4GB of uploaded images. They might be on an enterprise contract with different caps though. I know one way to find out...
Are there legal implications if you cannot submit an opt out request because of their technical choices?