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Re: Poverty, not trauma, affects cognitive function in refugee youth: study (2019)

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Post by refurb » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

aabeshou wrote: post #70

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You think it's possible to "eradicate" poverty? Poverty is relative, not absolute. Even if you gave everyone in the country $50,000 in UBI, you'd still have poverty, because you'd have people at the bottom of the income range who can't afford what others can. The only way to possibly eradicate it is if you made everyone equal - same take home pay, no inheritance, no monetary gifts, etc. Everyone has the same net inco…

> Poverty is relative, not absolute That's.... just not true, and I feel like you don't really know what poverty is if you say that. Poverty is not just definitionally being in some lower percentile. Poverty is misery because you don't have financial power to meet your basic needs, or have to sacrifice all your time and comfort to do so. There's nothing relative about going hungry, living in bad housing with heat tha…

That's not how the government measures it. They either assume some percentile of income is poverty, or they put together a bundle of things (home, food, etc) to see if income covers it. However, that bundle always gets updated to include more and more.

Re: Poverty, not trauma, affects cognitive function in refugee youth: study (2019)

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Post by aabeshou » Wed, Apr 15, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #71

aabeshou wrote: post #70

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> Poverty is relative, not absolute That's.... just not true, and I feel like you don't really know what poverty is if you say that. Poverty is not just definitionally being in some lower percentile. Poverty is misery because you don't have financial power to meet your basic needs, or have to sacrifice all your time and comfort to do so. There's nothing relative about going hungry, living in bad housing with heat tha…

That's not how the government measures it. They either assume some percentile of income is poverty, or they put together a bundle of things (home, food, etc) to see if income covers it. However, that bundle always gets updated to include more and more.

do you understand the difference between a government definition and a human experience? I'm talking about making it so everyone has the basic needs of their life met - food, shelter, water, medicine, clean environment, leisure time, sleep time.

your argument is so pedantic that it is insulting. it reminds me of Ben Shapiro's classic tweet [0] "Renewable energy: dumbest phrase since climate change. See the first law of thermodynamics, dumbass." You're like Ben Shapiro saying "eradicating poverty?? that's literally impossible... since poverty is defined as the lowest 5% of income and there will always be someone there. Learn percentiles, dumbass"

[0] https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/30089090699366400

Re: Poverty, not trauma, affects cognitive function in refugee youth: study (2019)

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Post by jlawson » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 3:10 PM UTC

Ghjklov wrote: post #54

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>you're going to die homeless next month Help me understand how someone could believe something along these lines for more-or-less their entire life. The fact is that poor people live long lives of many decades; they observe others around them just like them living many decades. There's nothing close to a rational reason to discount the future that hard. How does one end up believing that every month is their last wh…

People don't believe they'll literally drop dead next month. But they believe they'll get kicked out of their apartment if they can't pay rent. If that happens, they might end up losing their job after not being able to show up for a few days in order to find a new place if that's even possible. Being poor is miserable. You know how you might lament that due to your full time job you have so little time to spend on y…

I guess it just doesn't check out with me. I've been around poor people. I've lived with them. I'm sure some of them are working constantly (probably more the ones with kids, which they shouldn't have had in the first place), but generally they don't seem to be particularly busy. Most of them, if they wanted to sit down and start learning web tech from online tutorials (or improve their future in any other way), had the time and resources. They were just not interested. Even things that would save time like 'stop smoking pot 7 days a week' - just nope.

Re: Poverty, not trauma, affects cognitive function in refugee youth: study (2019)

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Post by downerending » Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 8:54 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #63

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Not OP, but statistical significance has to do with how _sure_ you are that there is an effect. It doesn't really say anything about how _large_ the effect is. It's pretty obvious that gender can't be a top predictor of memory, intelligence, etc. The reason is that even if there is a definite difference where males are better than females, it'd be a modest delta between two bell curves. That would leave huge numbers…

Stipulating most of your comment, gender can still easily be a top predictor of memory / intelligence / etc., because "top" is an ordinal concept. That just says it has more of an effect than other predictors. But see also https://sci-hub.tw/https://amstat.tandfonline.com/doi/full/1... , finding that the top predictor (among those investigated) of a police officer shooting a civilian is "the officer is black", narrow…

Sure. I had in mind something like "average parent IQ" as a top predictor. Next to that, probably almost everything else pales.