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I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by [deleted] »

bhanhfo wrote: post #70
knolax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by knolax »

bhanhfo wrote: post #70
knolax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?

> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake.

I keep seeing people confidently claim that the numbers out of China are "fake" but I've yet to see a credible source. Could you please provide some?

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by ezVoodoo »

baybal2 wrote: post #20
tly_alex wrote: post #19

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I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

> I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. May well be nothing. The gotcha here is not what is being said, but why it is there in the first place.

Why it is there? It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. Then why are you posting here? Is there any particular reason that makes you NOBLE enough to write down your words and show them to people?

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

knolax wrote: post #50
peteretep wrote: post #35

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Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden infl…

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

> We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda

No, you just made that up.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by jonnypotty »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #28

The title would be more useful if it made it clear that this is a doctor's POV, not a patient's. (Not least because a patient spending 7 weeks in an ICU would likely be sedated for most of it.)

Yeah, heaven forbid you have to read an article to find out what it says. Doesn't matter though, HN has already dismissed this article as state fabrication, cos "China" so you don't need to read it anyway.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by wakenmeng »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #34
wakenmeng wrote: post #26

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Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. It is not they said that china gov controls all media and social posts. And most of the videos u saw on twitter which gov staffs' violence are posted on Chinese social media first to explore and report this to the gov. They are just similar to other countries' gov staffs' enfo…

> Actually there are a lot of posts(pics, videos) on China social media from doctors showing they were lack of PPE, and using even plastic bags. Agreed. But, that still wouldn't stop the CCP from trying to deny that it happened or continues to take place, just as they're actively lying about the death count in just Wuhan as many locals reported that crematoriums were running 24/7 and urns were being delivered by the…

the UK and USA said "CCP lying about the death toll", because death num in their countries is bigger. dude, Just give it a thought, is there any possibility that the UK and US governments are doing shitty jobs, no prepare during the whole February, no lockdown or quarantine action until March? On Feb 19, there are 50091 confirmed cases and 2029 deaths in one city Wuhan. if u think the number is "faking" small, u should think about that the government has locked down the city, asked for self-quarantine and focues on the medical sources since Jan. What most of the western medias u know were reporting then? Did they warning u how serious the virus is and ur gov should be prepared? did ur government do any action during the whole Feb after the virus is reported? watch this from BBC: https://youtu.be/mc6OVmNnPJo

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by OwlsParlay »

bhanhfo wrote: post #70
knolax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?

> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake

Can you provide a source on that? The only "proof" I have seen people confident of is speculation based on the urns delivered to funeral homes - which IMO can be attributed to non-Covid-19 related deaths continuing during the lockdown.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by [deleted] »

peteretep wrote: post #51
wangii wrote: post #48

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> Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. could you show a single article that is not propaganda, according to this standard? don't get me wrong, I actually agree with you. however, I would refrain from jumping to assertion too early.

I'm not providing a definition of propaganda, I'm describing a _characteristic_ of effective propaganda. The test for whether something is propaganda is nicely defined in Wikipedia, which is "[whether it] is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda".

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Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by knolax »

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #74
knolax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

> We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda No, you just made that up.

That's what GP's position is. He agrees that the content of the article is correct (or can not prove otherwise), but considers it propaganda simply because it is not as critical of the Chinese government as he would prefer. Notice how no comments here have been able to point out any objective falsehoods with the article's content when asked to do so.

Re: I Spent Seven Weeks in a Wuhan ICU

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Post by TeMPOraL »

bhanhfo wrote: post #70
knolax wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive…

"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?

> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake.

Citation needed. Which numbers have been proved to be incorrect? So far, all I've seen is everyone saying the equivalent of "it's China so they must be lying".

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