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Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by fyfy18 » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:40 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #59

debaserab2 wrote: post #10

I'm also in CO and had COVID-19 like symptoms about a month ago (fever and GI issues without any other major symptoms for a week progressing into a dry cough/heavy breathing -- completely unlike any other flu I've had). I never got tested due to lack of test kits here in CO at the time and because my symptoms stayed manageable I never saw a health care provider beyond a virtual meeting to get a rescue inhaler. At the…

The U.S. has about 600k cases. One order of magnitude more is 6M cases. That's still very far from broadly spreading. It's worrying about the viability of the herd immunity theory (too few people had it), and opening the country soon (a few weeks of exponential case increases would overload hospital capacity, even after stemming the case growth through sheltering-- putting us back to square one). It feels, 1-2 months…

At least in Europe the results of quarantine are starting to show results, Italy, Spain and Germany and all seeing a drop in new daily cases and deaths. Spain will allow factories and businesses that can't work remotely to reopen today, although there are concerns it may be too early. Other European countries that imposed quarantine 'ahead of the curve' are not facing any issues in terms of hospital capacity.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by debaserab2 » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:45 AM UTC

cowmoo728 wrote: post #49

debaserab2 wrote: post #10

I'm also in CO and had COVID-19 like symptoms about a month ago (fever and GI issues without any other major symptoms for a week progressing into a dry cough/heavy breathing -- completely unlike any other flu I've had). I never got tested due to lack of test kits here in CO at the time and because my symptoms stayed manageable I never saw a health care provider beyond a virtual meeting to get a rescue inhaler. At the…

If I had a blood oxygen of 89% I would have gone to the emergency room immediately. That's 80 year old smoker with emphysema levels. If you were previously healthy that is far more serious than the "light" covid-19 that many people get, assuming the reading was accurate.

That's what my friend said, too, but it didn't linger there for long and I felt comfortable enough with my breathing that I didn't feel it warranted going to the hospital.

As my symptoms got better it gradually improved and the last time I did a reading it was at 99%, which I think is where I normally am (it's not something I measured before this though).

I only suggest that it was the "light" version because it seems like the advanced cases develop into pneumonia and I definitely didn't have pneumonia. The breathing problems felt no worse than a bad cold to me.

I have asthma and bad allergies, so it could just be that I'm somewhat used to sub-par breathing in general. I also know of some breathing exercises that always seem to help.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by sfj » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #33

rashkov wrote: post #23

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Are those medicines actually advisable for covid?

I'm failing to find a list of recommended OTC drugs for covid19. All I'm finding is a generic statement that OTC drugs may help with symptom management. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/ca... Ventolin is an inhaler. It opens up the airways during asthma attacks or similar. Pseudoephedrine is a decongestant. The article under discussion indicates the author was given an inhaler and cough medic…

> Amphetamine salts are apparently used to treat ADHD. Some people use them illegally to concentrate for mid terms and finals at college or similar. I'm not personally aware of any valid reason to think they are appropriate for covid19.

There is a study that shows in vitro, it helps fight the flu: https://covid19data.com/2020/03/06/meth-may-fight-flu-virus-...

There are also many reports from meth users that they almost never get sick.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by debaserab2 » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

sfj wrote: post #68

debaserab2 wrote: post #10

I'm also in CO and had COVID-19 like symptoms about a month ago (fever and GI issues without any other major symptoms for a week progressing into a dry cough/heavy breathing -- completely unlike any other flu I've had). I never got tested due to lack of test kits here in CO at the time and because my symptoms stayed manageable I never saw a health care provider beyond a virtual meeting to get a rescue inhaler. At the…

Any lingering aftereffects?

Dry cough still persists weeks later, but that's pretty normal for any winter/spring illness I get. Nothing else that I've noticed.

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:50 AM UTC

exabrial wrote: post #47

I think the risks shouldn't be downplayed, but the news media, aka advertising industry, frenzy over this pandemic is disgusting. Nobody that contracts this virus should fear death, yet that is what the mainstream media is selling and people are consuming: fear, death, uncertainty.

>Nobody that contracts this virus should fear death, yet that is what the mainstream media is selling and people are consuming: fear, death, uncertainty.

Except, you know, about 1 in 30 that contracted it in Northern Italian cities with heavy spread and not enough ICUs, and 1 in 10 or so over 70 or with a prior condition...

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

GhostVII wrote: post #50

exabrial wrote: post #47

I think the risks shouldn't be downplayed, but the news media, aka advertising industry, frenzy over this pandemic is disgusting. Nobody that contracts this virus should fear death, yet that is what the mainstream media is selling and people are consuming: fear, death, uncertainty.

If you are elderly than you should definitely fear death. But yes if you are under 50 it's more likely you will be killed driving to the hospital than by the virus.

If you got the covid, it's actually 4 orders of magnitude more probable to kill you than being "killed driving to the hospital".

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by jameslevy » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:54 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #53

DougN7 wrote: post #5

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I don’t know but I’ve become aware of just how difficult it is to remain pristine. Touch a door handle? After that did you touch your phone, keys or wallet at the store? Did you touch your car door handle? When you washed your hands, did you disinfect the faucet handle and soap dispenser after? It’s always a game of percentages even when you’re careful.

There's the simple expedient of 1) touching potentially contaminated stuff only with your left hand, 2) only touching clean stuff with your right hand, and 3) never cross contaminating your left and right hands. And whenever you can, wash or use 70% alcohol. When I'm out, I always carry a paper towel soaked in 70% isopropanol in my right hand, and periodically wipe my left hand.

There's a lot of history to this left hand, right hand protocol. I'm assuming you do it in this tradition, or at least as a nod to it?

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by coldtea » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:55 AM UTC

LastZactionHero wrote: post #55

DougN7 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know but I’ve become aware of just how difficult it is to remain pristine. Touch a door handle? After that did you touch your phone, keys or wallet at the store? Did you touch your car door handle? When you washed your hands, did you disinfect the faucet handle and soap dispenser after? It’s always a game of percentages even when you’re careful.

> Touch a door handle? Like... with your hand ? Not in a glove that you throw out immediately? I just can't fathom touching a door handle. I saw someone just open a door at a public place the other day and it was utterly baffling to see.

Billions of people in affected areas do it every day...

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by DoreenMichele » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:56 AM UTC

Xenograph wrote: post #61

GhostVII wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are elderly than you should definitely fear death. But yes if you are under 50 it's more likely you will be killed driving to the hospital than by the virus.

> if you are under 50 it's more likely you will be killed driving to the hospital than by the virus. Apologies if this was intended to be hyperbole, but it is not true according to our current knowledge. Estimated fatality rate for adults 20-30 is 0.03%, 30-40 is 0.08%, and 40-50 and 0.16% [1] The probability of dying from one single vehicle ride to the hospital is several orders of magnitude less than 0.1% or even 0…

I'm guessing the intent was more along the lines of "Car trips generally are more deadly on an annual basis and we don't stress about that. In fact, if you try to encourage people to walk, bike and take public transit based on the idea that car trips kill and maim, you will be generally blown off."

Re: Fear and beauty: two weeks living with Covid-19

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Post by EducandoLogic » Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 4:59 AM UTC

Hello , I have read somewhere the initial post of this thread and I am courious how he/she is going and a cuestion to all of you affected.... Did you ever had a pneumonia before COVID? Dont be afraid people! There are some news around the scientists that now are beeing paid to not ask cuestions, only a few do..... Be afraid of beeing forced or persuaded the get or take antiretroviral drugs combined with high doseage of Cortison,, as the "severe" cases are treated... Voices raise that they are treated to death, there are no scientific evidences that the letality of untreated cases would be higher,,, the staus quo looks to me the opposit way arround... These drugs, specially the antiviral, itslike chemotherapy... Dont fear ,fear is the problem I think, fear made that the whole scientific world didnt stop a second to think and overreacted, fatal errors are happing and there are interests that those happen... Lagarde once said,,,, the elderly are a problem... It that women of the money, cold as ice.. Cheers and healthyness too all.. english is not my motherlanguage and my keyboard is not of my team neither ,,,,,, there sre doubts about those tests that say you are positiv,, positiv of a cold or flu or pneumonia , yes, because those get teted,,, I bet we all are positiv,,, or negativ,, you know what I am trying to say? In Spain and Italy things dont match, medicines started to do science and its not well seen..... NO EVIDENCES , rather the other way round, THAT A UNTREATED sever "COVID" is as deadly as a treated, no evidences at all..... but the suspect thats the other way round......