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U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They Were Ignored

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Unrelated to this specific article: The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. The thought that we could loose it over mail in ballot voting is a sick joke.

At the same token, we probably should rethink the USPS from first principles. We want delivery to every address, but certainly there is a problem when ~50% of what's being delivered is junk mail[1] 1. https://facts.usps.com/table-facts/

Why first principles? Create a do-not-mail list. Make up the funding gap with taxes.

Re: U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They Were Ignored

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Unrelated to this specific article: The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. The thought that we could loose it over mail in ballot voting is a sick joke.

> The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. Mail delivery and shipping are crucial, not the USPS. There are plenty of other private companies that can and do show the ability to do what the USPS does - only more efficiently (and without consistently losing money). At this point in history, there's no need for us to continue supporting the tax-subsidized[1] money pit that is the USPS. Yet another piece of e…

To add to the ongoing list, the USPS is the only delivery service that cannot open up your mail/packages without a warrant.

Re: U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They Were Ignored

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Unrelated to this specific article: The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. The thought that we could loose it over mail in ballot voting is a sick joke.

> The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. Mail delivery and shipping are crucial, not the USPS. There are plenty of other private companies that can and do show the ability to do what the USPS does - only more efficiently (and without consistently losing money). At this point in history, there's no need for us to continue supporting the tax-subsidized[1] money pit that is the USPS. Yet another piece of e…

Something tells me for-profit companies will not be as generous to those less fortunate than us.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2002/07/08/02-1690...

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USPS functions almost exclusively to deliver unsolicited advertisements. Its "delivery confirmation" is outright fraud.

Throw-away accounts with no identifying information, purposely flaming comments that add nothing to the discussion (nevermind with no citation, sources, or data) are a very non-hn thing. Is there a rule against this kind of low quality participation?

Re: U.S. Postal Workers Were on the Front Lines Before. They Were Ignored

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> The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. Mail delivery and shipping are crucial, not the USPS. There are plenty of other private companies that can and do show the ability to do what the USPS does - only more efficiently (and without consistently losing money). At this point in history, there's no need for us to continue supporting the tax-subsidized[1] money pit that is the USPS. Yet another piece of e…

What private companies are delivering mail to rural areas in the middle of Montana? And how much do you think they charge to deliver a single letter to someone an hour away? (Answers: No one - they contract the work to the USPS, and at least $10 per letter)

It's illegal for private companies to deliver letters.

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> Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. > Tax breaks. The Post Office is exempt from state and local property and real estate taxes, along with other burdens like tolls, vehicle…

Literal or not, it amounts to being the same for their bottom line, and we all pay for it through taxes.

It's a random individual's approximation of the value added by their status as a government agency; and no, we patently /don't/ pay for it through taxes (unless you count subsidized borrowing, but that wasn't the original claim and it's more than a little nitpick-y).

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Unrelated to this specific article: The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. The thought that we could loose it over mail in ballot voting is a sick joke.

> The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. Mail delivery and shipping are crucial, not the USPS. There are plenty of other private companies that can and do show the ability to do what the USPS does - only more efficiently (and without consistently losing money). At this point in history, there's no need for us to continue supporting the tax-subsidized[1] money pit that is the USPS. Yet another piece of e…

I live in rural America. If we relied on for-profit, I imagine I would have to drive to the closest pick-up location (40 minutes), as I have to do right now for my UPS/FedEx packages.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the same token, we probably should rethink the USPS from first principles. We want delivery to every address, but certainly there is a problem when ~50% of what's being delivered is junk mail[1] 1. https://facts.usps.com/table-facts/

Why first principles? Create a do-not-mail list. Make up the funding gap with taxes.

I wonder how much we would need to subsidize. As it is the junk mail is adding that money into the system for us.

This seems like a valid idea to look further into.

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No one else does what the USPS does. No one else does daily rural mail delivery. The USPS is also not tax subsidized.

> No one else does what the USPS does They certainly could if it weren't for laws preventing them from delivering to people's mailboxes.

It’s a critical service. No one should be allowed to profit off of critical services.

Is there an argument to be made that a privatized version could run better? Not unless it gets to leverage people’s need of their mail next to its own greedy need for profit.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The USPS is a crucial part of the US infrastructure. Mail delivery and shipping are crucial, not the USPS. There are plenty of other private companies that can and do show the ability to do what the USPS does - only more efficiently (and without consistently losing money). At this point in history, there's no need for us to continue supporting the tax-subsidized[1] money pit that is the USPS. Yet another piece of e…

No one else does what the USPS does. No one else does daily rural mail delivery. The USPS is also not tax subsidized.

The USPS has legally enforced monopolies on various forms of mail delivery:

https://www.cato.org/publications/tax-budget-bulletin/privat...

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