How do people feel about BlueJeans?
Used to use it at my company. It didn't scale well with many people. We switched to zoom a while back and it's been much much better.
Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
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Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#72God please don't make me use a non-zoom video conferencing tool! I have used about a dozen over the years in my role as a consultant, and Zoom has been by far the most reliable. I’m hopeful lots of good can come from the scrutiny, but please Zoom get your act together so I don’t have to use some other buggy thing that doesn’t actually work.
I knew I would get downvoted. But folks seriously don’t remember the pain before Zoom. And the current pain anytime we have to use a GoToMeeting, Google Meet, Webex or other tool that barely functions. Human interaction that actually works right now is so important. And I simply have a hard time trusting another product to actually do the call reliably
No idea what kind of unreliable networks people get to use, but WebEx has been quite good during the last 10 years.
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's frustrating because Google Hangouts used to be great, and then Google purposefully started cannibalizing their own platform. I really want to know what goes on within Product Management at Google, because looking from the outside in I cannot imagine anything other than sheer incompetence.
The rumors from inside Google is that there's no way to get credit/be rewarded as an employee simply for maintaining an existing solution, or even for fixing obvious breakage. Every incentive is tilted towards starting new projects, often multiple projects in the same domain directly competing with one another. There are some positives to this of course, but clearly it's being overdone.
But still...As a prod manager,you aren't coming up with new projects every week, your entire job is to ensure the roadmap is decent and not taking the product into the graveyard. The company has so many people and yet can't produce a single product with a decent UX.
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#74God please don't make me use a non-zoom video conferencing tool! I have used about a dozen over the years in my role as a consultant, and Zoom has been by far the most reliable. I’m hopeful lots of good can come from the scrutiny, but please Zoom get your act together so I don’t have to use some other buggy thing that doesn’t actually work.
I knew I would get downvoted. But folks seriously don’t remember the pain before Zoom. And the current pain anytime we have to use a GoToMeeting, Google Meet, Webex or other tool that barely functions. Human interaction that actually works right now is so important. And I simply have a hard time trusting another product to actually do the call reliably
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Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#75God please don't make me use a non-zoom video conferencing tool! I have used about a dozen over the years in my role as a consultant, and Zoom has been by far the most reliable. I’m hopeful lots of good can come from the scrutiny, but please Zoom get your act together so I don’t have to use some other buggy thing that doesn’t actually work.
Use Jitsi
If my livelihood depends on interacting with people, I need a super compelling reason to switch. Not to mention considering whether the hassle of using/maintaining Jitsi myself is worth billable rate doing work I’m actually interested in
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Corporate devices should be for work. Especially if you're sheltering-in-place anyway and you're not even physically at the office.
> Corporate devices should be for work. Many (most?) companies are perfectly fine with you using your corporate machine for typical home-life stuff and side projects as well. Reduces waste of having to buy two devices. Seems nothing wrong with it to me?
In practice there's usually nothing wrong with it, but when something goes wrong it usually ends up being a big deal.
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#77I mean, Google bans MS Office from employees' computers as well (with special-case exceptions), so they use Docs instead. Since Google has Meet (Hangouts), this isn't really surprising.
It mainly sucks for when an employee (especially in sales) has a call with a client that uses Zoom and can't use Meet, because then you're forced to dial in, which just puts you at a disadvantage when everyone can see everyone's face except yours.
Edit: per comments, people can still use the browser version of Zoom, so doesn't seem that bad.
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
#78What's surprising to me is that it was allowed before. They have had their own videochat solution for years, so I would expect the usual "eat your own dogfood" approach.
What do you use when Hangouts is down to discuss fixing Hangouts? :)
Perhaps some internal Hangouts deployment that uses the last known stable version.
Re: Google bans Zoom from employees' computers
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Duo, Meets and Hangouts... off the top of my head. With various levels of being merged or not.
Anyone remember Google Allo? I think it had video? If they made it a discord kind of thing it might have worked but instead they chose to compete with their own products.
Allo didn't have video, that was Duo's job. Hangouts Chat is their Slack/Discord competitor, and Hangouts Classic is the version that everyone has in Gmail. Hangouts Meet is their Zoom competitor. Both Hangouts Classic and Meet can video call, I believe. Chat piggybacks off of Meet. Hangouts Chat and Classic are named the same but are two different products.