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Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Is it reasonable to assume, at this point, that international travel is still a relevant contributor to the spread of the virus? Apart from reducing travel overall, I don't see how the ban could have an impact once the virus is distributed. Especially since domestic flights seem to continue. Initially, yes. It could have changed things. But this action now feels way too late. Like two months late. It feels like a nat…

That would be my assumption as well. I would hypothesize that once the virus is well seeded within a country, the contribution by new travelers is dwarfed by internal propagation.

Using the famous Washington Post simulation as a reference:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-si...

I imagine it's like the second scenario in reverse. Rather than the wall opening, picture it closing after the virus is already spreading uncontained on either side.

Of course, it could be a significant factor in keeping the outbreak initially contained. But that involves an even more fanciful assumption in my view: that you could impose and really tightly enforce a ban early enough to matter. The continued pressure from Trump and many of his political allies to "open the economy" -- and their resistance to "shutting it down" in the first place -- shows such a proposition, offered at a point it would have mattered (if that were even possible with the initial stonewalling by China on the severity of the outbreak) would almost certainly have been cried down as paranoia and overreaction by the kind of business and political interests who hold real influence over these matters.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weirdly enough, I had a quick look at Heathrow arrivals and departures, and there's still loads of flights leaving every 10 minutes, to all kinds of destinations. Multiple flights per day to Rome - I guess if you absolutely, positively have to be in Italy right now! In comparison, my local airport in North of England had a single flight the entire day.

When I came back to Gatwick, they were still listing flights from 12h before (100s of them) as "delayed". I think the system they use is pre populated long in advance...

Flights get cancelled all of the time though. That should be built in.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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post #74

The WHO generally considers against such travel restrictions. https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-re...

WHO's bad advice is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. I watched their conferences in January. Simultaneously heaping praise on China for their effective quarantines while demanding other countries not cut off flights from China because there was little risk. If every country ignored them and stopped travel, or said every person entering the country has to spend X days in quarantine, this could have been contained. And that's only one part of WHO's failure.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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post #51
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's reasonable to assume it's a contributor to the spread -- but I'm not sure what you mean by 'relevant'. Significant? (un)controllable? Worth bothering with? I can't find the article now, but a week or two ago Singapore and South Korea (IIRC) were claiming most of their new cases were imports, as they'd been approaching some level of control (via tracking & testing) within their borders. Because different cou…

I meant significant. I don't think Russia is at a point that compares well with South Korea. For SK I can understand when they differentiate between domestic and international fights.

Okay. I tend to side with the 'do everything we can' approach, on the assumption that'll save more suffering and lives, and with the anecdotal evidence coming in from regions that have not done everything they could, and with an optimistic expectation that it'll reduce the length of time it takes to bring it into manageable spread rate.

It may not have a profound impact on the spread within (and indeed outside) Russia, but it almost definitely will have some impact, and at this point that's probably sufficient reason in itself.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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post #24

Is it reasonable to assume, at this point, that international travel is still a relevant contributor to the spread of the virus? Apart from reducing travel overall, I don't see how the ban could have an impact once the virus is distributed. Especially since domestic flights seem to continue. Initially, yes. It could have changed things. But this action now feels way too late. Like two months late. It feels like a nat…

Based on what I've read about how and where the outbreaks started, I'm pretty sure that when this is over and the analysis comes in, air-travel will get the blame for the early and rapid spread of this virus. It looks clear that Taiwan's robust success is the result of immediate quarantine of travelers.

Two people recently flew into a Gwitchin community in the Yukon expecting to live off the land. They were quickly (and angrily) isolated and flown back to Whitehorse by the RCMP.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

#79
post #73

This doesn't align with their propaganda that claims coronavirus has no more harm than regular flu. People are told there is no coronavirus in Russia, just couple minor cases.

This is absolutely false. Just one more fake news about Russia.

Re: Russia has halted all flights into and out of the country

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post #6

I suspect this is to deter Russians from coming home for the Orthodox Easter which is way more important than in the West.

This comment shows how little westerners know about Russia and Russians. Easter is of very little importance in Russia, especially for Russians living abroad.

For religious Russians abroad there are Orthodox churches in almost every country, even in Thailand and Cambodia.

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