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Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by flyinglizard »

reaperducer wrote: post #66
bilbo0s wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why switch from VS Code to Codium? That makes even less sense than a switch to Eclipse. If you're on VS Code, just use VS Code. If you're on Eclipse, just use Eclipse. But yeah, get to market. Quibbling over quasi-religious beliefs, like X is better than Y, is exactly what allows some kid on his couch in his boxers watching SportsCenter while working on his website to beat your funded startup to market.

Why switch from VS Code to Codium? For me, it was because I don't want to be spied on by Microsoft. VS Codium is VS Code without the telemetry and tracking.

As I became involved in more and more products and customer feedback, I started opting into telemetry collection programs. It’s ultimately what helps make the products I use better.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by haolez »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #7

OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?

I think they meant the web versions of VSCode that many vendors sell. But their message was very badly written.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by ysleepy »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #48
sbuttgereit wrote: post #7

OK, I'll bite... "...that enable developers, organizations, and vendors to create new, extensible solutions that avoid the fees associated with VS Code." What fees are they talking about? VS Code is not my regular editor, but the whole thing seems to indicate confusion between "Visual Studio" and "Visual Studio Code". I am missing something or is the Eclipse Foundation really conflating the two?

So, avoid the non-existent fees of Microsoft and change them for the non-existent fees of Oracle and IBM. Sold! But seriously, the Eclipse Foundation would be a much trustworthier steward for a wide-used IDE than Microsoft. Unfortunately, Eclipse is in the same situation Firefox was against Chrome 5 years ago: it's slow compared to other Java IDEs like Jetbrain's.

Hm. I remember it having utterly horrible UX and looks, but being slow wasn't really a problem. Especially the live compilation and whole project compilation error marking is something IntelliJ has not yet accomplished.

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by sbuttgereit »

ysleepy wrote: post #73
ASalazarMX wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, avoid the non-existent fees of Microsoft and change them for the non-existent fees of Oracle and IBM. Sold! But seriously, the Eclipse Foundation would be a much trustworthier steward for a wide-used IDE than Microsoft. Unfortunately, Eclipse is in the same situation Firefox was against Chrome 5 years ago: it's slow compared to other Java IDEs like Jetbrain's.

Hm. I remember it having utterly horrible UX and looks, but being slow wasn't really a problem. Especially the live compilation and whole project compilation error marking is something IntelliJ has not yet accomplished.

Yeah... but what the original post is about isn't the old Eclipse IDE we've all known and loved (to hate, maybe). But a new entry in the Electron based text editor craze... to me just glancing over the website, it looks like a VS Code clone.

That the Eclipse IDE itself is more an analogue to Visual Studio proper could be where some on the Eclipse marketing team are mixing up the two and mentioning "VS Code fees".

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by _benj »

jjuel wrote: post #52
polskibus wrote: post #45

I think the only way to beat vs code at this point is to implement IDE in a native language without GC. VSCode , eclipse etc can be very sluggish on large-ish projects, slow downs accumulate with code base size growth leading to usability problems, slow autocompletion etc.

So you mean Sublime Text? (Yes I understand it isn't open source)

For some reason I'm able to find plugins for what I need in VSCode but not for Sublime :(

I really really like Sublime Text and own a license, but the lack of plugins or outdated one (only available for ST2?) makes it less than optimal for my daily driver

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by _benj »

animalnewbie wrote: post #40

I prefer QtCreator- it's not written in Electron.

Isn't QtCreator kind of too focused on Qt?

I have used it and love it, but I was writing QML, not Python or JS for a web project. Have you been able to use QtCreator for more than C/C++ and Qt?

Re: Eclipse Theia 1.0 – Open-Source Alternative to Visual Studio Code

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Post by number6 »

enesunal wrote: post #57

Attacking an open-source software to promote another open-source software. You needed to do better dear Eclipse Foundation. This isn't the philosophy behind open-source. edit: Wait. Is this an early April fools' day joke?

while vs is technically open source it's not free software. not only in the gnu sense but also the binaries are licensed different as the source code. You have to compile vs yourself to benefit from the licensing of the source code
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