Singapore to Open Source Bluetooth Contact Tracing

Post by verify_sirrah » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #41

raynr wrote: post #36

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"Never let a serious crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel. I agree with this and your sentiment, but I think it is misplaced in this instance. As I understand it, the TraceTogether app collects (and stores locally), information on other users running the TraceTogether app nearby. If our government's contact tracers contact us, we can provide the information, and it can help in contact tracing. This seems to me to be at…

Shoot, I didnt realize that quote was attibuted to Rahm. I fucking hate that guy. Also - its really disturbing that a few years ago, Apple created an update where you cant turn off wifi or bluetooth - you can now only "pause it" But there has not been a look into proving that it is actually OFF when your little soft icon is grey...

Post by tempestn » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 8:24 PM UTC

mellow2020 wrote: post #48

closeparen wrote: post #31

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The point of contact tracing is to find out who to quarantine, so you don’t have to lock down the entire population. It’s not a “copout,” it’s the bread and butter of epidemic mitigation. It’s why most of them don’t get to this point.

> The point of contact tracing is to find out who to quarantine, so you don’t have to lock down the entire population. But "stay at home" has been a mantra for weeks anyway, with everybody acting as if they and everyone else is infected. > It’s why most of them don’t get to this point. But we are at this point already.

Post by bosie » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 8:35 PM UTC

groby_b wrote: post #64

tomcooks wrote: post #27

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Cynical for sure, don't know about that "needlessly" given it's an endless fight where everytime you give up a right it's taken away forever. This time they give you the opensource bit, next time it's "a matter of emergency", then they stop asking and just punish you if you don't comply. >Would you suggest that we not have public health departments engage in contact tracing at all to combat the pandemic? If so, I'm n…

"The only method that works is quarantine" Literally nobody in the epi community believes that. Would you please state your credentials, or cite a credible source for that statement? (For the opposite, please do read takes from Trevor Bedford, Mark Lipsitch, Carl Bergstrom, Andy Slavitt or really pretty much anybody in the field) We (the US) are currently in a state were suppression is the only prudent tool. As SK ha…

Post by zajio1am » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:07 PM UTC

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #25

tomcooks wrote: post #12

Can't wait to be tracked by tech developed by a governmental team in the name of safety. Opensource or not a leash is a leash.

This is much better than tracking people via facial and video recognition captured with near-omnipresent camera feeds. This is tracking signals that an optional device optionally broadcasts (and has for years). You can easily avoid this tracking by not having your phone broadcast bluetooth or by not carrying a phone. Not to mention any number of actors could have already been tracking this signal for years . It's the…

Post by shanev » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 9:27 PM UTC

oinkl wrote: post #71

tomcooks wrote: post #12

Can't wait to be tracked by tech developed by a governmental team in the name of safety. Opensource or not a leash is a leash.

https://tracetogether.zendesk.com/hc/en-sg/articles/36004373... https://www.tracetogether.gov.sg/common/privacystatement What data is collected? Are you able to see my personal data? The only data that we collect is your mobile number, so that MOH can contact you more quickly if you were in close proximity to a COVID-19 case. With your consent, TraceTogether exchanges Bluetooth proximity data with nearby phones runni…