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Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

st3fan wrote: post #26

EVERY. SINGLE. APP. THAT. INCLUDES. THE. FACEBOOK. SDK. Even if you don't log in. The Facebook SDK sends data back. Hook your device up to an intercepting proxy and start up a few apps. 99% of them do this. I really wish Apple would put an end to this.

> I really wish Apple would put an end to this.

This is what really gives lie to the whole walled garden thing. Its selling point is supposed to be in Apple preventing things like this, but here we are in reality and they don't. Meanwhile they do e.g. prevent Signal from replacing Apple's default app for SMS, which has no purpose other than to create barriers for cross-platform competitors to the default apps.

Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account

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julianozen wrote: post #20

To clarify, having just worked with the Facebook SDK library for my company's codebase, I dont think it is possible to setup the SDK without this happening. Disclaimer: I do not know what the FacebookSDK does after you call it's launch methods but I am pretty certain that they are required for a least some versions of the SDK. If you are a Zoom user who is not using a Facebook account, I believe the only info Faceboo…

I imagine in an alternative universe that Snowden's book is about his time at Facebook.

Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

I was looking for somebody to point me in the right direction about learning up on one-to-many broadcasting the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22686128

(Mainly because I have been reading on what a privacy horror story the entire zoom organization is...)

And got no response :(

Maybe somebody in the comments section here knows more?

My original submission read:

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Please point me in the right direction to start learning up on the latest internet video streaming one-to-many technology.

I found https://github.com/muaz-khan/WebRTC-Experiment to be a decent starting point, but I am craving more reading on the subject.

Chaturbate uses chunked mp2t files, youtube does similar with mp4, where can I learn more about how exactly they do what they do?

Re: Zoom iOS app sends data to Facebook even if you don’t have a Facebook account

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Post by godelski »

xmprt wrote: post #66
julianozen wrote: post #20

To clarify, having just worked with the Facebook SDK library for my company's codebase, I dont think it is possible to setup the SDK without this happening. Disclaimer: I do not know what the FacebookSDK does after you call it's launch methods but I am pretty certain that they are required for a least some versions of the SDK. If you are a Zoom user who is not using a Facebook account, I believe the only info Faceboo…

Can't they fingerprint the device? The fact that Zoom was launched on a specific device is still a lot more information than I would be comfortable giving up if I don't use Facebook at all.

It looks like they are fingerprinting the device. Which means that if you have facebook but don't install the phone app, that your phone can be connected with your account and then you can be tracked across the web. There are also, of course, the facebook shadow accounts. Information connected with fingerprints, but not associated with a facebook account.

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Post by itronitron »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #36

Are they using a Facebook dependency? FB has a couple of libraries popular for use as UI libraries. I didn't think they phoned home, but I could be wrong.

Are you asking about React and GraphQL? I'm not sure whether they phone home but their development was certainly subsidized by abusing people's privacy.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

3minus1 wrote: post #63
modzu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

note the reason hippa exists has nothing to do with protecting individuals; it was drafted to protect the insurance companies. it is absolutely not that health data is somehow "private" enough to warrant some special protection for the persons themselves

I never heard this before. Can you explain how it protects insurance companies?

Insurance companies have incentives to get better data than their competitors, so they can offer less expensive coverage to lower risk people and leave the competing insurance companies with all the higher risk people. Until the competitors do the same thing. Then you're all just offering less expensive coverage to most of your customers and making less money. (That also tends to cause trouble for higher risk patients because insurance companies could more accurately predict ahead of time that they'll incur high costs and then charge them unaffordable premiums.)

If the health data they would otherwise use for that is "private" then that isn't allowed, so providing insurance is riskier, will have fewer competitors, and commands higher premiums.

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Post by skylarchunk »

somethoughts wrote: post #70
godelski wrote: post #2

> There is nothing in the privacy policy that addresses [that data is being sent to Facebook] > The Zoom app notifies Facebook when the user opens the app, details on the user's device such as the model, the time zone and city they are connecting from, which phone carrier they are using, and a unique advertiser identifier created by the user's device which companies can use to target a user with advertisements So Zoo…

Similar to how we have organizations which can certify whether produce is organic or not, we need organizations which can certify whether apps and websites are certified ad tracking free.

This is an interesting point. Either the government would then need businesses to disclose their "rating" (similar to movies) or businesses could opt in to show a seal (like Fairtrade bananas). The problem is, if there aren't enough (popular) sites with the seal, then the value of this declaration is lost.

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Post by gingerlime »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #57
idoh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be quite a stretch of the CCPA. The businesses that are doing the collecting have to have to comply. In this case, Apple isn't collecting that info.

Likely, simply curious if questioning Apple about it is enough for them to nuke the Facebook SDK from further app inclusion at the review process. Privacy is their whole marketing schtick, no? [1] If it's a core value, stand up for it. [1] https://www.apple.com/privacy/ ("Privacy is a fundamental human right. At Apple, it’s also one of our core values. Your devices are important to so many parts of your life. What yo…

It’s a facade. Apple has its own advertising ID and it’s on by default even though it’s quite clearly (imho) in violation of the GDPR.

https://blog.gingerlime.com/2020/does-apple-care-about-your-...

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