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Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by tarr11 »

save_ferris wrote: post #38
sonicggg wrote: post #26

It seems that anecdotal evidence of young people dying of COVID-19 is the trend of the moment. Not sure if it's just cheap clickbait or the goal is to make younger generations to actually care about social distancing. The deal is that we are dealing with the power of large numbers. You can cherry-pick whatever case you want to fit your narrative. It does not mean its relevant information.

We’re also dealing with the fallout of living in a “post-truth” era, where we as a society can no longer agree with basic facts. Yes, it’s exceedingly rare to see a case like this, but what’s not rare is seeing the examples of people not taking this disease seriously, even some public officials. Getting people to cooperate with drastic disease mitigation efforts won’t happen if there’s a probability embedded in that…

When was this “golden age of truth” era that we are now after? There have always been conspiracies, mystics, cults and anti science sentiments.

Do you have any evidence to show it’s worse than it ever was?

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by nicky0 »

doitLP wrote: post #34

No known pre-existing conditions != no pre-existing conditions. Besides in a large enough dataset this isn't surprising.

But how many people know they have no pre-existing conditions? Most of us are in the no known conditions camp.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by SamBam »

beat wrote: post #64
corpMaverick wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a parent of a young man. I understand why your parents have these fears. They know what they are doing, but they don´t know what you are doing other than what you tell them. Even if they trust you, this is a deeper fear. You could start lecturing your parents about how dangerous this is, so they are convinced that you are taking it seriously.

As the parent of adult children currently living at home... one of ours keeps going out to be with friends. I understand she needs to get out of the house sometimes, but it's unnerving, knowing the points of contact (she often goes to her boyfriend's house, with his five currently-unemployed roommates). Then again, she works in a children's health clinic. I know what vector is probably going to bring COVID into our h…

I would really hope that someone working in a health clinic would be more careful than that. Going over to other people's houses is exactly what people are not supposed to be doing.

From my observations, the people who are most flippant about this seem to be boomers and young adults 20-25. I still see groups of young adults on the sidewalks, clearly not roommates, even though our state is in lockdown, and we're right next to a state that's starting to overwhelm their hospitals because of this kind of behavior.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

jhayward wrote: post #37
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? It's well documented by now that comorbidities increase the risk of death from COVID considerably. Articles like this make the news because they're fighting the myth that the young and healthy cannot die from it.

> Articles like this make the news because they're fighting the myth that the young and healthy cannot die from it. Yes, but look at the comments from when I made mine: they were all of the nature of "I bet they had some other problem". Once you've seen this reaction enough it begins to look less like information-seeking and more like denial.

What you're calling denial is an important part of information seeking. When you see an anecdote that contradicts something you believe, you say "either this anecdote or my belief is incomplete". So if you're pretty confident in your belief, it's reasonable to probe the anecdote for potential flaws; it's not a matter of denial but of trying to find the truth.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by beepboopbeep »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #53
save_ferris wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re also dealing with the fallout of living in a “post-truth” era, where we as a society can no longer agree with basic facts. Yes, it’s exceedingly rare to see a case like this, but what’s not rare is seeing the examples of people not taking this disease seriously, even some public officials. Getting people to cooperate with drastic disease mitigation efforts won’t happen if there’s a probability embedded in that…

But that mindset is exactly why we're in a post-truth era. If a news outlet's primary goal is convincing people to do the right thing rather than accurately communicating information, why should we trust that the information they communicate is accurate?

Doing the right thing and accurate information can be one in the same.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by dhimes »

chrisseaton wrote: post #28
swsieber wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pedant in me says technically the name of the virus "SARS-CoV-2" but lots of people are referring to the virus by the disease name of "COVID-19". Maybe that's why? The pragmatic side of me says "Yeah, what the heck. It's clearly known" Edit: Rereading it, the quote is directed at people who are skeptical of it's existence. So it makes sense in context.

Ah it's like HIV and AIDS, isn't it? SARS-CoV-2 causes COVID-19, and COVID-19 is not the virus but the disease. She's right.

Yes. It took a while for WHO to name it. They didn't want to call it SARS because it was too frightening- SARS caused a lot of devastation in Asia.

From the WHO website Q and A [1]:

Is COVID-19 the same as SARS?

No. The virus that causes COVID-19 and the one that caused the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) in 2003 are related to each other genetically, but the diseases they cause are quite different.

SARS was more deadly but much less infectious than COVID-19. There have been no outbreaks of SARS anywhere in the world since 2003.

[1] https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

I went to the WHO website to document my first assertion, that they chose the name to not cause fear and confusion with SARS, but didn't find it. It used to be right on the front page explaining the virus- they also explained the name.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by beat »

zdragnar wrote: post #20
jhayward wrote: post #7

I'm puzzled by the intense focus on whether someone who dies had a pre-existing condition. It's like people want to convict the person for their own death, make it look like they were irresponsible, as a denial mechanism. By blaming the person for succumbing to the virus they can fall in to the US-centric mindset of blaming people for their own disfortune, poverty, illness, accident, lack of whiteness, etc. It's real…

The answer being sought is just how deadly is this virus? Knowing that helps everyone plan, and thus far, mortality rates haven't been very high at all except in very vulnerable populations. However, should the virus mutate, or otherwise start posing a larger problem to the general public, the calculus of just how under-prepared are we radically changes. It has nothing to do with blame and everything to do with deali…

A mortality rate of 2-3% is "very high". And it's not just "very vulnerable populations". I'm 55, in generally good shape, but I have (medically controlled) hypertension. So my odds of dying are like 5%.

My daughter is 26, and winds up in the ER once a year or so for asthma. What are her odds? My mother is 78, has had open heart surgery, and is overweight and gets almost no exercise. I'm more or less assuming I will never see her again.

"Mortality rates haven't been very high at all" is easy to say when you're not in any way vulnerable.

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Post by magduf »

tarr11 wrote: post #71
save_ferris wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re also dealing with the fallout of living in a “post-truth” era, where we as a society can no longer agree with basic facts. Yes, it’s exceedingly rare to see a case like this, but what’s not rare is seeing the examples of people not taking this disease seriously, even some public officials. Getting people to cooperate with drastic disease mitigation efforts won’t happen if there’s a probability embedded in that…

When was this “golden age of truth” era that we are now after? There have always been conspiracies, mystics, cults and anti science sentiments. Do you have any evidence to show it’s worse than it ever was?

Several decades ago, it wasn't nearly this bad or widespread. Sure, there's always been conspiracies and anti-science sentiments, but the mass adoption made all that crap much more easily accessible to the masses, so it spread like a disease. Instead of everyone getting their news from Walter Cronkite, now they get it from Alex Jones.

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by macintux »

tarr11 wrote: post #71
save_ferris wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re also dealing with the fallout of living in a “post-truth” era, where we as a society can no longer agree with basic facts. Yes, it’s exceedingly rare to see a case like this, but what’s not rare is seeing the examples of people not taking this disease seriously, even some public officials. Getting people to cooperate with drastic disease mitigation efforts won’t happen if there’s a probability embedded in that…

When was this “golden age of truth” era that we are now after? There have always been conspiracies, mystics, cults and anti science sentiments. Do you have any evidence to show it’s worse than it ever was?

At what previous point in time could a conspiracy theory reach 25% of the world’s population within a day? When was the last time the U.S. president was espousing conspiracy theories to a global audience?

Re: Twenty-one year old with no pre-existing conditions dies from Coronavirus

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Post by dahart »

LanceH wrote: post #68
dahart wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is relevant information when the previous narrative was that 0 young people had died of COVID, and that the “only” old people who had died had co-morbidity factors. BTW, this isn’t “anecdotal evidence”. This is an actual, verifiable data point.

Maybe doctor's and research scientists should present this as a data point instead of instead of yorkshirecoastradio relaying some facebook posts. While this narrative may fit what is perceived as a good cause, do we want it at the expense of truth? Do we want every story to first be questioned, "what are they trying to get us to do by telling us this?"

> do we want it at the expense of truth?

I’m confused by that, what do you mean? What here is untrue? What is the “truth” that should be reported here? Someone died of COVID, someone who was young and didn’t have other health factors, which is abnormal compared to what we’ve heard about nearly all other cases of COVID death so far.

Nobody claimed this is somehow a huge number of cases, and I think it’s well understood - and not being challenged here — that old people and sick people have much, much higher risk factors for dying of Coronavirus.

But isn’t it worth knowing that the risk distribution does not start at 70 years old, that it starts at 18 and goes up?

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