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CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by _pd19 »

jnbiche wrote: post #30
sdegutis wrote: post #20

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After reading the whole translation linked in the GitHub issue, and being a father of 6 kids who love to make me practice being a judge every day as if I have nothing better to do, I’m convinced the judgment is reasonable. Even in our tiny library parking lot, I very often see people driving unreasonably fast between all the parked cars and the library door, often within a foot of the cars. Even if they are driving w…

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

I wish we were as sympathetic to drug dealers and theft as many on HN want us to be towards a programmer who ran someone over in their motorcycle.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by jnbiche »

_pd19 wrote: post #71
jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

I wish we were as sympathetic to drug dealers and theft as many on HN want us to be towards a programmer who ran someone over in their motorcycle.

I am. You can check my prior comments on our prison system.

I think both the US and Russia should dramatically rethink their approach to non violent crime. Both countries have ridiculously high incarceration rates.

I may be wrong, but I believe most people on HN feel the same way.

Also, to be clear, are you sympathetic to the incarceration of drug dealers and thieves but not sympathetic to the incarceration of someone who accidentally killed someone in an auto-pedestrian accident?

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by MiroF »

jakear wrote: post #2

What a wild ride this has been. Looking at the police report, I do wonder what the punishment would be in other countries. It seems the victims were laying drunk on the ground in dark clothing at top a hill (edit: hill not mentioned in police report, but seems logical given the headlight statement), causing the headlight beams to not illuminate them. On top of that, incoming traffic blinded the driver. This is of cou…

I think it is worth including the fact that:

a. He was driving a motorcycle and b. One of the victims was not lying on the road, but instead standing and trying to pull up the other (or so I've read)

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by agapon »

catalogia wrote: post #28
nostromo wrote: post #17

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If you'll permit a tangent, there are a lot of drunk pedestrian fatalities. I don't think we talk enough about the risk of drunk walking. Over one third of pedestrians killed in the US each year have been drinking too much to drive. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/05/drunk-...

How much of this is due to the immediate physiological effects of alcohol (e.g. impaired reaction time, etc) and how much of it is chronic depressed alcoholics disregarding their own well-being and possibly committing suicide? I've walked home drunk from bars more than a few times and I've never experienced any trouble using crosswalks like normal. I'm pretty certain it's much safer than driving home drunk (not that…

I personally witnessed more than once (and intervened) drunk people appearing to try getting themselves killed by traffic, like erratically running onto a road. Once I also saw a too drunk person that tried to cross a street (outside of a crossing), tripped over, fell to the ground and just passed out.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by overeater »

_pd19 wrote: post #71
jnbiche wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this wasn't a library parking lot. This was a roadway, at night, and he appears to have been going the speed limit. And the victim was lying down on the roadway in dark clothes. And there was an oncoming car with high beams on according to the court findings. So you think that he should spend 1.5 years in a Russian prison for that? A sentence that may very well ruin him psychologically for the rest of his li…

I wish we were as sympathetic to drug dealers and theft as many on HN want us to be towards a programmer who ran someone over in their motorcycle.

Why? Those people chose to do something bad. The programmer was not doing anything intentionally wrong.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by MiroF »

overeater wrote: post #75
_pd19 wrote: post #71

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I wish we were as sympathetic to drug dealers and theft as many on HN want us to be towards a programmer who ran someone over in their motorcycle.

Why? Those people chose to do something bad. The programmer was not doing anything intentionally wrong.

He drove his motorcycle into two people, one of whom was standing and helping their friend who was intoxicated on the ground.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by agapon »

MiroF wrote: post #68
giancarlostoro wrote: post #26

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Honestly I could see that happening to me. Some cars have lights that make it hard to see clearly on my side of the road. I wish car windshields could shield your eyes from lights too bright or something. Especially now that cars have these bright LED lights depending on the angle they are as bad as high beams when they pierce your eyes. I kinda hate driving at night. People can barely keep from getting into accident…

This was in a motorcycle.

Many motorcycles have windshields too. Many motorcycle helmets as well.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by ivan_gammel »

jnbiche wrote: post #69
ivan_gammel wrote: post #53

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I can read Russian. According to the information from the court: 1) he lost an appeal, meaning that his case was in the court at least two times. 2) the dead victim was not lying on the road, that’s false information. She was trying to remove other victim from the crosswalk. Knowing the motorcycle culture in Russia I would not be sympathetic to anyone there - it has nothing to do with safety on the road.

Fair enough. That's why I wrote that disclaimer. If one victim was dragging the other, that changes my perception somewhat, although not entirely. And in terms of "culture", are there not people in Russia who just ride motorcycles as an inexpensive transportation option, and not as part of any particular culture or group? The guy in question looks like a typical geek, not a motorcycle gang member or something similar…

It’s definitely not considered as inexpensive transportation option. Not with Russian winter, roads and environment. Geeks though are the likely buyers, because riding a bike is a kind of a statement.

Re: CoreJS: State of the project? Looks like dead. Any official fork?

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Post by robbrown451 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #53
jnbiche wrote: post #13

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Evidently, it was his legal problems that provoked the job request and console ads, so I'm sympathetic. And based on the description above, it's highly unlikely that he would have been charged in most countries. The person who died was lying on the road at night, in dark clothes, intoxicated. Sympathy to her family, but that would count as an exculpating circumstance in most Western countries, I'm fairly sure. I sure…

I can read Russian. According to the information from the court: 1) he lost an appeal, meaning that his case was in the court at least two times. 2) the dead victim was not lying on the road, that’s false information. She was trying to remove other victim from the crosswalk. Knowing the motorcycle culture in Russia I would not be sympathetic to anyone there - it has nothing to do with safety on the road.

Maybe the person lying on the street should shoulder some of the blame.

I do think courts in other parts of the world would have seen a lot of mitigating factors.

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