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Post by briandear » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

He didn’t recommend people self medicate. And their are doctors in New York using these drugs right now. Some dumbass self medicating with any prescription drug without a doctor’s supervision gets what he gets.

And the drug does show promise. Trump could cure cancer and people will be mad about it. If Obama had mentioned this drug people would react completely differently. During H1N1, 4000 Americans died from that; it isn’t like Obama had a stellar track record in quelling a pandemic either.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/22/new-yo...

https://www.insidernj.com/press-release/top-doctors-join-pen...

All of this concern that this treatment is “unproven” — well of course it is, this is all happening very fast, but to immediately oppose this drug because Trump is just political nonsense. It seems almost as if people want it to take years to find a solution to this thing. This constant anti-Trump vitriol is getting tired and old. People are dying right now, yet we are going to quibble on a drug that is showing promise just because Trump suggested it?

https://veltnews.com/no-deaths-at-lennox-hill-hospital-from-...

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Post by austenallred » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

makomk wrote: post #29

nostromo wrote: post #10

Chloroquine is safe when administered by a doctor. It's also easy to overdose if you don't know what you're doing. I'd hate to see people spread information about how dangerous Chloroquine is when it may be very useful treatment during this pandemic.

From the page linked in the article: "A man has died and his wife is under critical care after the couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks.". Did he literally just consume fish tank cleaner? That seems like a really easy way to mess up dosing.

yes, that is precisely what happened

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Post by mattkrause » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

Do you have an exact quote from Henry II where he asks someone to murder Thomas Becket?

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Post by rabidrat » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

blunte wrote: post #24

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

I'm inclined to argue about the title "most powerful nation on this planet". It's a nice tagline, but the metrics for which it applies are narrowing rapidly. But still, let this be a lesson to those who would follow bad leaders to their own demise; or rather, let it be a lesson to their offspring who watch them follow the bad leaders. I suspect humanity follows cycles of enlightenment, complacency, and self-destructi…

> I suspect humanity follows cycles of enlightenment, complacency, and self-destruction

This theory would agree (and it makes sense to me): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio...

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Post by rgarrett88 » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:56 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #44

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

It's been tested for years (decades? it's generic) as an anti-malaria drug. Any drug can be overdosed.

This one is just particularly easy to overdose on.

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Post by tathougies » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

plastic_teeth wrote: post #58

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

True thing. Also people who I like like Elon Musk spoke about it https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239650597906898947?s=20 On one side his voice should be heard, it may give people hope and help to move stuff On the other side, some people who don't know what balance is, might use it in the wrong way.

How are these people getting their hands on prescription drugs? Someone touting X prescription drug as a potential cure for something doesn't mean we should all go out and take it. I mean, PrEP is a treatment to prevent the AIDS virus from spreading, but it's not like someone being happy about that means you should somehow illegally procure and take a prescription drug.

The double standards here are shocking.

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Post by triceratops » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

He said something to the effect of "chloroquine shows promise. The FDA has approved for it to be prescribed." The first statement is debatable (for now), while the second is completely false. (full quote below)

Can we agree that it's not great to be giving out incomplete or incorrect information on such a prominent stage?

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results...Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."

However, the FDA after the briefing issued a statement saying it had not approved the drug for use against Covid-19 and is still studying its effectiveness against the disease.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/23/africa/chloroquine-trump-nige...

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Post by mdanger007 » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #44

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

It's been tested for years (decades? it's generic) as an anti-malaria drug. Any drug can be overdosed.

was it an overdose that killed this poor guy or another interaction?

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Post by pmichaud » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:57 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #13

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

Do you have an exact quote from the president where he recommends that the public obtain and self medicate with chloroquine? Or have you significantly altered his statements for your own political agenda?

I was wondering the same. It's really hard to quote Trump because of the way he talks, but I looked up a transcript of the press conference in question: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-pres...

The quote (heavily pruned, but you can look it up in the link to verify I didn't change the meaning) is:

> Now, a drug called chloroquine ... is a common malaria drug. It is also a drug used for strong arthritis... in a somewhat different form ... But the nice part is, it’s been around for a long time, ... it’s not going to kill anybody.

> When you go with a brand-new drug, you don’t know that that’s going to happen. ... But this has been used in different forms — very powerful drug ... And it’s shown very encouraging — very, very encouraging early results. And we’re going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. [The FDA has] gone through the approval process; it’s been approved. ... So we’re going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states.

There is more, and it's similar in tone. So I don't think he said "Please go take the following drug without advice from your doctor" but he did say that it was powerful, safe, and already approved by the FDA. So I think it's fair to say that he was incautious in talking about a potentially dangerous, experimental treatment.

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Post by jonny_eh » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:58 PM UTC

blhack wrote: post #70

baxtr wrote: post #2

The repeated recommendation to use a drug which has not been properly tested by the president of the most powerful nation on this planet seems inappropriate to me.

This is ridiculous. There has been studies and papers being written and released for MONTHS from all over the world. We’ve known about chloroquine since January. This INSISTENCE people keep having on politicizing this is infuriating and it’s going to get people killed. Stop doing this. Now is not the time for political point gathering.

> it’s going to get people killed

Like the man that the article is about?