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Time to Ban Wet Markets

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#71
> Chinese folks with rural roots still associate freshness with how recently the meat was slaughtered. This is why sellers keep their animals alive and only butcher them before their customers’ eyes.

Anecdotally: I ate the best tasting salmon I've had for a long while. It was frozen salmon from ALDI.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#73
post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

American Swine Flu in 2009 killed tens of thousands of people. To say it could not have happened anywhere is wrong.

I believe the parent comment meant the frequency of these viruses coming out of wet market environments is higher than other agricultural practices.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#74
post #34

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.

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Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#75
post #62
post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

The CCP aggressively fought the virus, giving us time (we wasted) to prepare.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say "Chinese" anywhere. It would be stupid to generalise given the size of that country.

You said "undomesticated people" to be exact. Remarkable that you place the blame on people rather than the many governments that acted far too slowly.

The unedited post originally called them "feral people."

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#77
It's not actually known yet what the source of Covid19 is. There's some evidence it may have originated in the US, partly confirmed by the CDC https://twitter.com/BlackHammerOrg/status/124032448907179212...

In addition, factory farming is arguably worse than wet markets, with plenty of diseases originating from it so far.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#78
post #34

I think it’s a disgrace that the Chinese government hasn’t apologized for 1.) keeping wet market open 2.) silencing whistleblower doctor that would have stopped a pandemic 3.) letting 5 million people leave Wuhan 4.) pressuring WHO to not recommend border shutdown against China - Conjecture 5.) silencing whistleblowers inside China and around the world 6.) at one point, was surfacing propagandas that the virus didn’t…

(6) is a direct response to the White House's continued use of 'Wuhan virus', 'Kung Flu' and other racist/shitty deflection garbage. I'm not defending it, but it isn't happening in a vacuum.

I'm a lefty, so I think it's important to consider that viruses or diseases are often named for the first person to have them, discover them or the region in which they originated.

- Hodgkins Lymphoma is named after... Thomas Hodgkin who discovered it.

- Ebola is named after the Ebola River in the DRC. (https://goo.gl/maps/dF1MMnpBBwXpAZ3k8)

- Lyme disease is named after Old Lyme, Connecticut. (https://goo.gl/maps/Haqg2fxmYwcHELRY8)

- Bornholm disease is named after Bornholm Island in Denmark (https://goo.gl/maps/LDWDw5iS9X2xsA3B8), which is caused by the Coxsackie B virus named after... Coxsackie, New York, a small town on the Hudson where it was isolated. (https://goo.gl/maps/RKrhBup2ZAgzXVGJ9)

The recent bout of sensitivity is likely a game of left v. right finger-pointing. Who cares whether it's the Wuhan virus, the Wengliang Flu (after the man who discovered it) or nCoV-19? Go find a cure, a vaccine, etc. Naming a disease after where it started is a long-standing tradition. [1] This kind of shit-stirring over something nobody is actually offended by is exactly what gets the right worked up.

[EDIT] In fact, having a disease named after you is considered honorific: "Eponyms are a longstanding tradition in Western science and medicine. Being awarded an eponym is regarded as an honor: 'Eponymity, not anonymity, is the standard.' The scientific and medical communities regard it as bad form to attempt to eponymise oneself." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_eponymously_named_dise...

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

#79
This author is making a bunch of tenuous equivalencies. A wet market does not have to have exotic animals, live birds or live mammals, undomesticated animals, or be dirty.

There are markets that get emptied out and thoroughly cleaned every night, and sellers bring fresh fish and domesticated slaughter every morning.

A call for the wholesale ban of wet markets without acknowledging that plenty of safe wet markets exist is hard to take seriously.

Re: Time to Ban Wet Markets

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post #62
post #6

It's important not to demonize Chinese people here. However, it's at the very least equally important to ensure that their agricultural practices stop producing these pandemic viruses. This is not the first one. Not even close. This is not one of those things that could have happened anywhere and the Chinese were simply unlucky. This is a direct consequence of their agricultural practices and it is extremely importan…

I agree, demonizing the Chinese people is the worst thing anyone can do. They didn't want this virus either, but they taught us how we can contain it, and they paid the price with countless human lives. The CCP is the one that needs to be made responsible. However, they will label any attempt from the west as racism towards the Chinese, to avoid having to take up that responsibility. Change will only happen when it d…

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