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Re: Young and unafraid of the pandemic? Good for you. Now stop killing people

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Post by tdhoot »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #49
stetrain wrote: post #31

Lots of reacting to the title here. Which, granted, is sensationalist. I think this nicely sums up the article's point: "It's the civic and moral duty of every person, everywhere, to take part in the global effort to reduce this threat to humanity. To postpone any movement or travel that are not vitally essential, and to spread the disease as little as possible. Have your fun in June, July and August when this—hopefu…

> civic and moral duty of every person According to which canon? I find it slightly narcissistic to claim that I would have a moral right to someone else's behavior when it's well within my ability to take preventative steps for my own safety (Wash my hands, dont leave my house, and in between as my risk tolerance allows). It's a little like someone saying "You all owe me X because I exist". Do we also owe it to the…

> Do we also owe it to the immunocompromised?

Yes? For example, get your vaccines so those who cannot get them have herd immunity.

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Post by squarefoot »

keeganjw wrote: post #15

They make a good point in this article, I just wish Newsweek and other media outlets would get this pissed off about climate change. "Old and unafraid of the climate crisis? Good for you. Now stop killing future generations." If we're mobilizing to stop a pandemic, why the hell aren't we mobilizing to stop climate change? I know this is going to get downvoted into oblivion, I just wanted to say it.

"If we're mobilizing to stop a pandemic, why the hell aren't we mobilizing to stop climate change?"

Because a frog boiled very slowly usually doesn't complain until it's too late. Had this pandemic infections happen two orders of magnitude slower, nobody would give a damn.

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Post by brianTheDog »

The_Colonel wrote: post #42
gre wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an ageist and offensive narrative to say that young people are saying that phrase and acting it out like they don't care about killing their elders.

I would agree with you, if only I would have not heard this exact "actually it's not so bad, mortality is super low unless you are old or sick already" in the real life way too many times.

Anecdotal evidence is horrible. I’ve heard people in their 60’s say the same thing.

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Post by dv_dt »

kick wrote: post #65

Modern Newsweek is just the print-equivalent of a radio station that only features shock jocks. They weren't always this bad: they used to be quite good. At some point within the past twenty years, they got restructured pretty heavily. Now it's more or less the same as any old rag. They're at least willing to air views on any side of the aisle; they'll take anyone, as long as they're as simple-minded and as vitriolic…

Newsweek is a dead, empty brand at this point. A badge that gets passed from owner to owner.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/14/ex-newsweek-owner-dodges-jail-...

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Post by travisoneill1 »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #27
keeganjw wrote: post #15

They make a good point in this article, I just wish Newsweek and other media outlets would get this pissed off about climate change. "Old and unafraid of the climate crisis? Good for you. Now stop killing future generations." If we're mobilizing to stop a pandemic, why the hell aren't we mobilizing to stop climate change? I know this is going to get downvoted into oblivion, I just wanted to say it.

I was making a related comment to my coworkers earlier this week: if the stock market is this freaked about covid19, just wait til investors realize climate change is real and it will be hard to make money while NYC is flooded and nobody wants to buy oil anymore.

At this point we have had 1C of warming, and the economic effects have been minimal. The most aggressive IPCC model shows another 1C by 2050. So that's double the warming. What will the economic damage be? Probably more than 2x, but almost certainly not 100x, which is what it would take to have a meaningful impact on the economy. This is why the market isn't worried about it.

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Post by dengul13 »

To the people here with older parents (70+), there's another thing you can do:

Call your parents. Tell them they need to take this seriously, because they are the ones most likely to die from this virus.

Tell them that while average mortality rates may be low, it is highly dependend on age. Dr. Drosten of Charité in Berlin estimates mortality from corona in people aged >80 to be around 25%.

Tell them that exponential growth always looks harmless at first but that this exponential growth is also what makes atomic bombs explode.

Tell them that dying from Corona means dying alone.

The last point finally convinced them to stay at home.

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Post by jshevek »

gbrown wrote: post #66
jshevek wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the problem here is that extremists have subjected us to at least three decades of climate alarmism poisoned by bad science and failed predictions. People who lack the scientific background to properly understand specific claims and the basis for them rely on ignorant heuristics, such as "the boy who cried wolf". They wrongly conclude that the current round of climate concern is no different than the rounds t…

Is that true? I feel like the mainstream scientific picture has been alarming (correctly) for that whole period, and people (using ignorant heuristics) have incorrectly discounted the warnings since they don't feel the pain right now .

Both [your observation and mine] are true. I am not talking about mainstream scientists. Sadly, they don't control the larger conversations.

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Post by fabioborellini »

sli wrote: post #44

This is real easy to say to people who largely don't get sick days, oftentimes don't have PTO, and are far more likely to be unable to absorb a week without pay. If I take off work because I'm sick, I simply lose that money. Young people continue life like nothing is wrong because doing otherwise is not an option.

Yeah, your country sucks.

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Post by volkk »

sli wrote: post #44

This is real easy to say to people who largely don't get sick days, oftentimes don't have PTO, and are far more likely to be unable to absorb a week without pay. If I take off work because I'm sick, I simply lose that money. Young people continue life like nothing is wrong because doing otherwise is not an option.

you're focusing only on one uncontrollable thing. the point is to be responsible and lower as much as possible the daily contact you have with people for a while. there are plenty of yuppies where I live who still dont mind going to extremely hot and packed yoga classes, or going out to bars or partying, etc etc. none of that is required, at all, in your daily life.
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