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Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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Don't you feel this might be kind of a cognitive bias? Like when people poll for the best album of all time and it's always something that was released within the last 3 years of whenever the poll was. The social network is of it's time and will date really badly, to the point where no one will watch or mention it ever again. True Grit is a remake so specifically cannot be included as it had to be good enough to have…

I chose these movies not necessarily because I felt they were superb (although I loved them all) but because they were critically acclaimed and all received lots of oscar nominations. Almost by definition, they are the best films of the year. If you compare it to nominated movies ten years ago, Braveheart, Apollo 13, I think they are comparably great. Additionally, box office returns seem to be at all time highs. Bla…

Box office returns at an all time high? With or without adjusting for the increase in ticket prices (i.e., I seriously want to know how many tickets were sold per capita)?

Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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Huge Moki.TV fan ( http://moki.tv/2481 ). But also a huge movie fan. I entirely disagree. Think about this years movies: The Social Network The Kings Speech Inception Black Swan True Grit Will all almost certainly become classics.

> The Social Network - Sort of knew the story and acting was pretty ordinary.

> Inception - Cool story and nice effects, very captivating movie, made me think a little bit, but the ideas of the movie are too far fetched.

> True Grit - I didn't see the original, couldn't work out whether it was fiction until near the middle, and then it just went downhill, for me the girl did the best acting.

Worth watching? Definitely, become classics? Probably not, they're all missing the extra magic sauce.

Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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I think its more that no one is taking the time to write great and compelling stories. It takes time and patience and a lot of effort to create a story like the The Lord of the Rings. And the movies that are really good are ones with a great story behind them. Hollywood seems to be just mining stories from the past. Its gonna run out at some point and all we'll get are sequels. There needs to be some infusion of crea…

> I think its more that no one is taking the time to write great and compelling stories. Seriously? Pick up a book, that's so far from true it isn't even funny. > It takes time and patience and a lot of effort to create a story like the The Lord of the Rings. Sure, and there's a ton of them already out there in the form of books. > Hollywood seems to be just mining stories from the past. Its gonna run out at some poi…

Watching old movies like Star wars, Indiana Jones, old Bond movies, you get the sense that a lot of work was put in to creating the scenes. It must have been very expensive to make, was it because revenue was very high back then?

Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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The key, we think, is to look for movies that some love and some hate, which is the likely profile of a bad movie that's "safely" manufactured for an existing fanbase.

Some people love death metal and some hate it. Some people love classical music and some hate it. Polarization is hardly a quality indicator. Indeed, it seems more like an indicator of memorability.

Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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It's more than just date movies. High school kids have lots of disposable income, few bills, plenty of time to kill, can't get into bars, and don't need get hire a babysitter. College kids have lots of other things to spend their money on, like booze and, uh, booze. Once you're past that age, the odds of having kids goes up and then going to a movie becomes a major outing. For my wife and I to see a movie in the thea…

You don't have to buy the $60 popcorn.

Yes. But, it sounds like he has children, so he probably needs the $60 babysitter.

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Two things: * I don't think polarization is a good signal for poor quality; I would rather suggest it means a more niche product, more highly focused. That the niche being served is largely adolescents is unfortunate. * I think big-budget movies have been getting more conservative and predictable, but I would hazard a guess that it's due to financial industry turmoil and consequently less desire for risk taking.

"That the niche being served is largely adolescents is unfortunate" Ever seen the Poochie episode of The Simpsons? The producers try to boost the ratings of Itchy and Scratchy by adding a ridiculous character designed to appeal to everyone. Near the start of the episode they hold a focus group (text from snpp.com): Man : How many of you kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real-life problems, like the ones y…

"one kid seems to love the Speedo man"

Re: Visualization: Movies Are Getting Worse

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Two things: * I don't think polarization is a good signal for poor quality; I would rather suggest it means a more niche product, more highly focused. That the niche being served is largely adolescents is unfortunate. * I think big-budget movies have been getting more conservative and predictable, but I would hazard a guess that it's due to financial industry turmoil and consequently less desire for risk taking.

I think Moki.TV just redefined 'polarizing'. If you look at the individual bar graphs for each movie (especially the ones on the top right of the main graph), the voting distribution is actually very even ('square' or 'sloped' looking). For the data to be truly polarised you would expect the graph to be U-shaped: lots of 5s and lots of 1s and little in between.

What this data shows is that lots of people are giving these films a chance (and paying money to do so) who aren't really that engaged with the genre, or niche. That's a big validation of the studios' design strategy for the films.

An illustrative example I can think of that isn't in the top 20 is District 9: a very familiar 'niche-y' core genre, a fairly predictable plotline, but with enough influences from other genres to keep a diverse audience interested. The Dark Knight would probably be another.

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I'd argue that looking at polarization is a good way to detect such movies, but that not all such movies are polarizing.

OK, then what about The Blair Witch Project? One of the most polarizing movies on the graph, but not exactly what you'd call "safely" manufactured for an existing fanbase.

> not exactly what you'd call "safely" manufactured for an existing fanbase.

I'd say a film having a budget of $22k[1] is pretty safe, as far as the rest of the films on that list are concerned. While not a non-trivial amount of debt for a handful of people to take on, it's roughly in the same price range as a new car, which most people are capable of taking on.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blair_Witch_Project#Budget

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