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Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

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Post by normalnorm »

jamespo wrote: post #64
normalnorm wrote: post #58

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If there is no way to harass people with notifications for "price alerts", there will also be no incentive to create artificial pricing systems with sudden "promotions", meant to hijack users' attention and cognitive sovereignty. Don't fall for the tricks. Think about the systems your are engaging with all the way to the end, and consider if you are being manipulated. This is an environment where it pays to be parano…

artificial pricing systems existed before notifications

Sure, and cancer existed before cigarettes. Doesn't mean one should smoke cigarettes.

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Post by jw1224 »

tcd wrote: post #67
samatman wrote: post #60

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Sure there is. Walk into a grocery store, get a push notification for some sale items. There are also plenty of annoying things developers can do with it. I'll turn those off, or more likely uninstall the app.

That's....Not beneficial, at least in terms of what is going on behind the scenes. 1: App knows your location - most likely is profiting from that 2: App can see how often you visit $place, all for the cost of a few 'sale' items. 3: More extensive profiling can possibly occur, depending on what data the OS allows you to access. As apposed to: 1: Walk to shop, no smartphone, see discounts inside shop. There's 0 reason…

Of course it's beneficial! Can you not put yourself in the shoes of a normal consumer and recognise that?

They probably don't care if the app is tracking their location to tell how often they visit the shop.

In exchange for this inconsequential sacrifice to their privacy they get easy and convenient discounts, tailored to them, when they go about their daily routine.

I'm privacy-conscious and technologically literate, and even I wouldn't have much issue with this example if it would save me some money.

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Post by dewey »

nraynaud wrote: post #63

My bank was already sending me advertisement by push notifications on my phone.

A lot of apps did, even Apple itself for Apple TV+, Apple Music (and they got criticized a lot for that as it was against their own rules).

The idea of having finer grained permissions for that kind of notification seems reasonable to me.

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Post by saagarjha »

KarlKemp wrote: post #56
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #29

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They wouldn't, because they earn millions off of apps like Uber and co. It's why Youtube is more tolerant of bad behaviour of high-profile (read: high-viewer, high-income) channels, and Twitter hasn't banned Trump and his bots yet - they make too much money off of it, both directly and indirectly ('engagement', network effects, etc).

Apple forced Uber to stop their location-tracking shenanigans when they were found out. I agree that such large apps are treated somewhat differently than smaller ones—anyone smaller than Uber would have been banned outright. That’s due to demand from Apple’s customers, though, and not Uber directly paying Apple. But Uber still had to rush and submit a new version of its app. They didn’t seem to believe Apple was mak…

As far as I am ware, Uber has to date been the only third-party application ever granted a com.apple.private entitlement.

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Post by pdpi »

MrGilbert wrote: post #49
JimDabell wrote: post #39

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> It's like email updates from online retailers. I unsubscribe from the majority of them, but I allow a couple of retailers I like to send me promotions. Notifications are for when you need to know about something immediately and it's okay to interrupt you for it. How many of these retailers do you want that from? What's the benefit for the end-user over an email?

I'm not an expert in ad affairs. With this information on the table, consider the following: I subscribe to a "price alert" for a product in my sellers app. The price gets triggered, and because there's a lot of demand for this item, I have to be fast. This, for me, would justify the "push notification". But, would this also be considered an "ad"? From the definition of the word "advertisement"[1], which says it's "a…

That’s not an ad, it’s the core functionality of a product you use.

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Post by saagarjha »

Razengan wrote: post #68

After Catalina's increase in ostentatious nagging for the supposed sake of security, something they made fun of Microsoft for during Windows Vista [0], I really hope there isn't some paradigm shift inside Apple to become just as bad regarding alerts and popups. [0] https://i.imgur.com/442C7Ij.jpg (slide from an ancient WWDC)

I'm not sure they "get it", to be honest; most of the engineers run with security protections disabled so they don't see these…

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Post by saagarjha »

ajscanlan wrote: post #51
tasogare wrote: post #13

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Conversely, I find it really useful to block any notification from the get go.

Notifications are blocked by default.

They're only blocked when you don't allow them.

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Post by aguyfromnb »

samatman wrote: post #60
JensRex wrote: post #18

How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.

Sure there is. Walk into a grocery store, get a push notification for some sale items. There are also plenty of annoying things developers can do with it. I'll turn those off, or more likely uninstall the app.

>Sure there is. Walk into a grocery store, get a push notification for some sale items.

Or: walk into the store, open the app of your own volition, and peruse the sale items.

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Post by bayindirh »

JensRex wrote: post #18

How about Apple bring down the hammer on apps that are abusing notifications right now (or you just uninstall them), instead of allowing ways to shove more ads into peoples eyeballs. There is no scenario where this is a benefit to the consumer.

Elaborating further:

If apple forces ad-notifications to its own category and limits their rate and volume?

Furthermore, if apple enables users to disallow ad-notifications via permissions system?

I'd love to block promotional notifications of some applications which I have to use at the end of the day (e.g. airlines, network carrier, etc.)

This can be a Very Good Thing (TM) in the end.

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