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Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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I can see they have staff shortages that prohibits that: https://foldingathome.org/faqs/high-performance/fah-on-boinc...

Did you mean "inhibit"? Prohibit means to forbid.

Prohibit as in "(of a fact or situation) prevent (something); make impossible." rather than "formally forbid (something) by law, rule, or other authority". It's not the most common usage of the word but it's still a pretty common one.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean "inhibit"? Prohibit means to forbid.

Prohibit as in "(of a fact or situation) prevent (something); make impossible." rather than "formally forbid (something) by law, rule, or other authority". It's not the most common usage of the word but it's still a pretty common one.

e.g. "prohibitively expensive"

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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THANK YOU!!!! I was just going to comment this. I went to their website and gave it the 5 second test. I couldn't figure out ANYTHING through their homepage in a 5 second scan. There is ZERO call to action that makes any sense on their homepage. WTF is folding? Why not just say, HELP US FIND A CURE? What's funny is that I can bet these projects sit in a conference room and wonder why they aren't getting the support t…

> WTF is folding? folding@home is a protein folding[1] simulator. > Why not just say, HELP US FIND A CURE? Though their work helps others find a cure, they themselves are not looking for a cure. Their contribution is only to help understand these things better by simulating the proteins folding. I'm not saying this to downplay their work, but to explain why referring to folding and not to curing makes more sense. I i…

you're missing the point. what they do is incredible but it is not explained simply their website to the common visitor.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Gotta say the instructions are pretty awfully lacking. You go to the download page and you download the client and there's nothing that tells you what you're supposed to do after you download the client. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and after downloading the client I had to do: $ sudo update-rc.d FAHClient defaults $ sudo dpkg -i ~/Downloads/fahclient_7.5.1_amd64.deb $ sudo /etc/init.d/FAHClient start Yeah, it only took a few…

This is a great example of something that happens when a technology/program/framework has a long history and an existing community. Most users have been there for a very long time and sometimes the instructions or documentation doesn't explain what new users may or may not know. I see this a lot in the nodejs tooling, Azure, vmware. Each version of a product slowly changes the way the product works and most documenta…

Also tried BOINC and got "cannot connect to core server" and apparently (based on googling around) you've gotta open up a specific port. Would be nice if they told you this on the download page or at least where to look after you download.

I gave up on both folding@home and BOINC. I don't have all day to fiddle around with this shit.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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wow their UX is atrocious. * Download page doesn't explain why there are 3 packages and which you need * On installing first & clicking next it pins all CPU cores to 100% * The package that presumably controls this silently fails to install - on a brand new up to date ubuntu install. ...so now I'm stuck with a service pinning everything to 100% (while in use) and no way to control it. Uninstalled. I'll stick to BOINC…

I don't think BOINC is that much better. I got it installed and running and got 'cannot connect to core servers'. Nothing on their download page talked about where to go next for instructions either. After googling around I see something on a message board about opening up certain ports. If they want people to help out with this stuff the first thing they need to do is improve their documentation and onboarding.

At least I got the FAH thing to run, but only on the CPU not the GPU. I give up.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Why are they not appealing to the major cloud providers at this time to use any spare resources couldn't they set it up so that the cloud providers could count using resources as donation to a charity?

Google has just done this with AlphaFold a few minutes ago: https://deepmind.com/research/open-source/computational-pred... It's just so fresh it hasn't been posted anywhere yet: "Normally we’d wait to publish this work until it had been peer-reviewed for an academic journal. However, given the potential seriousness and time-sensitivity of the situation, we’re releasing the predicted structures as we have them now, u…

That's very newsworthy. Hope the prediction system is accurate enough to help.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Next scam: cryptomining app that pretends to help finding a virus cure.

That would be interesting. Not the Trojan horse you’re thinking of... but using it instead for good. One of the downsides to f@h is you aren’t compensated at all for your contributions. Now obviously that’s not such a big deal, since you’re ostensibly doing something altruistic for society and your fellow man/woman. However... if you put a real cryptocurrency behind it and coupled proof of work to solving real scient…

This concept is called "proof of useful work" and we haven't really found practical examples of it yet.

(There are also systems that pay people with cryptocurrencies for contributing computational resources, but the cloud computing markets are probably efficient enough that you could get cheaper computation overall by paying cloud providers regular money to rent computers from them.)

Proof of useful work, in which the cryptocurrency itself is verified by people who are also doing inherently useful computation, has a big challenge because the properties of the problems that are used in cryptocurrency PoW are so specific. Partial hash collisions, the typical example, have properties like

* it's trivial to generate a practically unlimited number of new instances

* new instances can be created in an objective way with no ongoing involvement by a central authority

* the instances can be parameterized by an arbitrary seed value (representing the identity of a block)

* the instances can easily be scaled by an adjustable difficulty

* a purported solution can be verified extremely cheaply

I don't believe we've found any broadly useful computation problems that have all of these properties.

Re: Folding@home takes up the fight against COVID-19

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Next scam: cryptomining app that pretends to help finding a virus cure.

That would be interesting. Not the Trojan horse you’re thinking of... but using it instead for good. One of the downsides to f@h is you aren’t compensated at all for your contributions. Now obviously that’s not such a big deal, since you’re ostensibly doing something altruistic for society and your fellow man/woman. However... if you put a real cryptocurrency behind it and coupled proof of work to solving real scient…

That's already invented and it's called gridcoin.

https://gridcoin.us/

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