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Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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> “ It turns out if you agree to take on the risk of cancellation” This is a common fallacy that we can use the pricing mechanism to account for the risk. But whether it’s food poisoning (cheaper prices for expired goods), labor externalities (cheaper prices for goods made with slave / child / exploitative labor), or geopolitical risks (cheaper prices for travel that can be cancelled for reasons that regular citizens…

I'm not suggesting the pricing mechanism can be used to fully account for the risk, I'm suggesting that it isn't simply a matter of banning certain contractual conditions, that it is prudent to also consider the inevitable increase in prices that will accompany some of those actions. If you are comfortable with the higher prices, fine. As I point out in my other comment, real world behavior suggests a preference for…

> “ that it is prudent to also consider the inevitable increase in prices that will accompany some of those actions. If you are comfortable with the higher prices, fine.”

I addressed this in my original comment above. These risks must be borne by shareholders and executives and not passed on to customers or employees.

Price increases to maintain the same level of profitability is inherently predatory. Rather, it’s simply a cost of doing business borne by the corporation and its shareholders. Airline prices are not higher in response to the airlines bearing the cost of cancellation risks. Instead, airline profits taken by executive bonuses, equity, c-suite perks, and shareholder returns are just lower, while prices, wages and benefits remain the same. Any other outcome where the corporation tries to deflect its responsibility to bear that cost without impacting consumers or employees is immoral predatory behavior that must become illegal, like lobbying, deceptive pricing, price gouging, extensive contractual fine print that consumers are not equipped to read or understand, offering consumers tiers of lower pricing that does not include necessary protections, layoffs or benefit cuts to preserve executive compensation hundreds of multiples above average employees, etc.

If this causes a business to fold, it only means they did not have a viable business. Consumers don’t want the product. Figure out how to bear the cost of these risks or else you haven’t got a business.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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There are 70 known cases of Coronavirus in the US. Making precautions at this point is reasonable, going to extremes is not. My suggestion is to prepare for the possibility of major disruption starting 2 to 6 months from now. Avoid non refundable trips etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html There are only 70 known cases because the US has only tested 472 people. Compare this to South Korea which has tested 90k+ people or Italy which has tested 9.5k people. The virus is well spread around the world and you shouldn't base your decisions around the confirmed number of cases.

Where can I find how many people have been tested per country? This seems to be critical information yet I don't find an easy source of information.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html There are only 70 known cases because the US has only tested 472 people. Compare this to South Korea which has tested 90k+ people or Italy which has tested 9.5k people. The virus is well spread around the world and you shouldn't base your decisions around the confirmed number of cases.

Where can I find how many people have been tested per country? This seems to be critical information yet I don't find an easy source of information.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ This is not updated often so it's a few days behind current numbers. But basically it comes from CDC's and health ministries of other countries.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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FYI Washington state has declared a state of emergency. Fears are that it's gone communal with hundreds or thousands of estimated infections in the community. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-us-reports-fir... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/world/coronavirus-news.ht...

Let’s not post about fears. The situation in Washington in serious. However, a state of emergency was also declared in Santa Clara County weeks ago -they’re necessary for unlocking funding so local governments can prepare. Let’s try to keep discussion to facts, not fears.

No. This is relevant.

It was published by the New York Times which is not a hysterical source.

From the linked article:

Washington State has declared a state of emergency over the coronavirus, and researchers who studied two cases there say that the virus may have been spreading for weeks, with the possibility that up to 1,500 people may have been infected.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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You don’t need Airbnb in Iran. Walk down 2 block of Tehran and by the end one or more people will have offered you their homes, for free.. You only need to book somewhere to stay for downtime/private time.

>Walk down 2 block of Tehran and by the end one or more people will have offered you their homes, for free.. Wait what? Is there more to this?

Iranians are very nice and friendly people is my guess.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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You don’t need Airbnb in Iran. Walk down 2 block of Tehran and by the end one or more people will have offered you their homes, for free.. You only need to book somewhere to stay for downtime/private time.

>Walk down 2 block of Tehran and by the end one or more people will have offered you their homes, for free.. Wait what? Is there more to this?

They've been under US embargo for decades. In the US, Blacks historically couldn't use commercial hotels which were Whites only. They had to arrange to stay at private homes to travel.

I imagine it's sort of akin to that.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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post #67

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Let’s not post about fears. The situation in Washington in serious. However, a state of emergency was also declared in Santa Clara County weeks ago -they’re necessary for unlocking funding so local governments can prepare. Let’s try to keep discussion to facts, not fears.

No. This is relevant. It was published by the New York Times which is not a hysterical source. From the linked article: Washington State has declared a state of emergency over the coronavirus, and researchers who studied two cases there say that the virus may have been spreading for weeks, with the possibility that up to 1,500 people may have been infected.

You’re right. And while I’ve been pointing out to people that panic is never a good response, upon reflection “fear” isn’t the same thing and can actually be a motivator.

I’m taking this situation very seriously fwiw and agree with the assessment that there are a lot more cases than reported, and my personal feeling is that we’re two steps behind here in the US.

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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I remember during the SARS outbreak, one of the most common vectors for mass-contamination was hotel usage. I'm going to stay away from Hotels and airbnbs for the next 18 months until the vaccine is ready.

I don't even have the option to avoid them since dozens of apartments in my building are Airbnb. There's a constant stream of international guests coming through our front doors.

I actually have a respiratory virus right now, and no idea where I picked it up (my doctor isn't worried, so I guess I shouldn't be either).

Re: Coronavirus information and extenuating circumstances policy

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> things you can binge watch for a month? this should get you through March :) ... The Seventh Seal (1957) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050976/ The Last Man on Earth (1964) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/ The Omega Man (1971) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/ The Andromeda Strain (1971) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066769/ Dawn of the Dead (1978) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077402/ Outbreak (1995) https…

Is watching 1 movie/day considered a binge?

Apparently, I've been doing it all wrong.
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