Earlier quoted context omitted.
That anecdote has nothing in common how the swiss gov/democracy works though.
Exactly, there are no laws against being a Bünzli.
Yes, but a the same time that is the reason, why we have no Elon Musk in switzerland.
Switzerland Federal Council bans large-scale events
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#72As I read it, you even would have to ask, if you would allowed to do a Poker evening with friends at home.
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Art. 2 Veranstaltungsverbot
1 Es ist verboten, öffentliche oder private Veranstaltungen bei der sich gleichzeitig mehr als 1000 Personen aufhalten, in der Schweiz durchzuführen.
2 Bei öffentlichen oder privaten Veranstaltungen, bei denen weniger als 1000 Perso- nen teilnehmen, müssen die Veranstalter zusammen mit der zuständigen kantonalen Behörde eine Risikoabwägung vornehmen, ob sie die Veranstaltung durchführen können oder nicht.
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#73I'm wondering currently we have 40-60 cases in other EU countries all originating in Italy, but there are only 650 official cases in Italy. Based on this, it seems that the infection is widely widespread in Italy and the number of "undetected case" should be important (maybe for instance with a lot of asymptomatic carriers) Is there any model to predict this type of dispersion? Any interesting article on this subject…
I've been wondering for a while why countries do not test people randomly like in phone surveys, i.e.randomly pick several thousand persons from a region and test them. Like in phone surveys you need to compensate for biases created from people declining to be tested, of course. It would be expensive, but it seems to me that it would yield a good picture of what is going on. Maybe I'm missing something obvious and th…
The UK is doing this now: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-britain/uk-c...
Not quite random since they are only testing people with cold and flu symptoms but these are spread around the country in order to act as an early warning system for spread of the virus.
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#74What do you think of travel the next 2-3 months? Should we avoid it? I was going to travel to Madrid end of March for fun from Krakow, should I delay this to May or even June?
Excellent time to travel, the hotel prices in places like HK are insanely low right now.
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#75Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.
I've always found Switzerland pretty authoritarian. Try hang out your washing on the wrong day of the week/in the wrong place.
I understand that this would also be a problem in certain types of US neighborhoods.
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#76What do you think of travel the next 2-3 months? Should we avoid it? I was going to travel to Madrid end of March for fun from Krakow, should I delay this to May or even June?
if you normally stay home and go out only for shopping or an occasional walk in nature then you will be safer at home. also depends if your home is rural vs urban. also it would depend on how active / social you are when at home compared to what you plan during a trip.
you have the additional risks of airports, or buses during travel. there is also the risk of being flagged down for testing. if you're positive then a forced quarantine in a foreign country sounds much worse than at home (where you speak the language). to me this would be more annoying and frightening than the virus itself.
on the upside you can probably get really good deals and empty restaurants / bars and other sites usually crowded with people. if I wouldn't live so close with family and kids (which I'd be returning to - AND be 20 years younger), I'd go.
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#77Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.
People are elected to make decisions for us. We hold them responsible at the next election. That is the currently what democracy is.
How’s that working for ya?
Democracies where the people only have a voice every few years are regularly seen doing things against the will of the people, because the politicians know they can get away with it, because it’ll be forgotten by the time the next election comes around.
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#78Well, great. If they had done this a couple weeks earlier, I could have avoid the horrible carnival that annoys me every year.
Oh, are you one of those people who’ve _chosen_ to live in a city that’s known to have a big festival every year, and is for some reason still angry said festival happens?
You could just move, you know? Or at least plan vacation when the carnival happens so it doesn’t have to bother you.
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#79What’s the rationale behind barring 1000+ attendee events but allowing up to 1000 attendee events?
If you have an infected person at a I don’t think there is a magic number other than 1 where transmission is quashed, but I don’t see how this could have a blunting impact.
More effective might be temporarily barring all international travelers as extreme as that would be.
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#80Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. It is very hard to understand how democracies work; it is important to keep an eye on how these things play out.
> Switzerland, most democratic country in the world, reminding people that it isn't just the authoritarians who know how to keep organised. So a democratic country is just as authoritarian as "authoritarians"? > It is very hard to understand how democracies work It really isn't. It's been around for many millenia ostensibly going all the way back to the slave owning ancient greeks. And historically, democracies have…
> There is nothing inherently good about democracies.
Besides the fact that we naturally evolved toward them since everything else we tried so far was worse ? And the fact that people are fleeing authoritarian regimes risking their lives to get into democratic ones daily yet the opposite never happened ?
> After all, democracies have exterminated continents full of people, democracies have practiced race-based slavery and the only form of government to have nuked civilians is a democracy. Hell democracies have attacked and destroyed more democracies around the world than authoritarians have.
When you put lions in cages they're still lions.
> Instead of focusing on silly labels, why not focus on deeds/actions/results/etc.
Right, open an history book and it'll be painfully obvious that the vast majority of authoritarian regimes are worse than being "not inherently good".
> It's funny how we conveniently forget that even nazi germany rose from a democracy.
It's neither funny nor forgotten. It's also pretty clear germany and their neighbours weren't better off after being under dictatorship. It's almost as if desperate times lead to desperate measures... more than democracy leading to authoritarianism.
> the only form of government to have nuked civilians is a democracy.
The US is as far away as you can get from democracy and still call it a democracy.