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Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #66
callmeal wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The "oops" have begun... Try running gmail in firefox. It's abysmal. A single click takes a few seconds to open email. This is malice, not incompetence. And I'm not even going to get into the whole endless captcha on firefox 'feature'.

I'm on the latest version of Firefox and G Suite mail is quite performant indeed. I don't see where you're getting this.

I don't use Gmail anymore as a primary address, but when I do check my old address, Gmail takes up to 30 seconds to load on Firefox. Emails often take several seconds to delete, and if I close the tab a few seconds after deleting the emails, they don't actually get deleted, even if they appear to.

I am not sure what exactly Gmail does on Firefox, but it makes using AOL.com in 2020 feel like a better email experience.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by robbyt »

lowdose wrote: post #6

Healthy check and balance Microsoft is performing. Strategically this has been a master move, not paying for the engineering costs while profiting from labor fruits. It is admirable for a company to admit the technology of the main competitor is superior and the only way forward is improving their output. Sets a great example for everybody.

I don't think engineering costs are an issue for msft.

Empirically, the source of msft's quality issues seem to be managerial / organizational.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by bergie »

slantyyz wrote: post #31
bovermyer wrote: post #26

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You ARE aware that a world of users outside of tech exists, right?

I'm a user in tech who uses Edge with Google Docs. I don't use the offline feature, so to me, the user experience is no different than it was with Chrome.

I'm often using Google Docs with Edge for Android (in DeX), and while everything works, every tab gets a "your browser is not supported" nag dialog

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by nimajneb »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #7

It was incredible to me how aggressively Microsoft came out supportive of the Chrome team and how loudly they discussed the wonderful amount of collaboration the two companies had been up to since starting work on the new Edge. I've seen Googlers responding to Edge developers about how they'll get some mishandling of Edge fixed internally at Google. But really, this is just the same story as before: The "oops" have b…

That makes me not want to use Chrome :/

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by kd913 »

dkns wrote: post #51
pingyong wrote: post #40

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If you're ever wondering how much data Chrome sucks out of you, the amount of effort Google goes through to try to keep people from using even Chrome-Edge, let alone Firefox, should give you a rough idea. Microsoft probably won't be much better though in the long run...

I reckon Microsoft can be even worse considering how much data they gather about you through telemetry built in Windows. Imagine if you're web dev using windows and edge along with vscode. Oof.

Have you seen the amount of telemetry built in Android/Chrome or any Google product?

Windows is only now trying to level the playing field to that which Google already assumes.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by option »

tapoxi wrote: post #68
amelius wrote: post #28

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> Google Chrome ads started appearing next to Firefox search terms Why don't webdevs fight back and put "best viewed on Firefox" pop-ups on their pages (whenever the user is using Chrome).

Netscape Now!

browser is too important piece of everyday computing for the masses to leave in the hands of Big Corp. This is why my family uses Firefox

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by scoutt »

Santosh83 wrote: post #62
hknd wrote: post #45

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These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…

Okay, I get it, but in that case the marketing is doing engineering a disservice when they implement needlessly aggressive and redundant advertising of Chrome on properties and user agents which ought to be almost 100% identical functionality in Chromium based (if not web standards compliant) browsers. To put it plainly I can understand if Google promotes Chrome when there is a genuine technical feature on one of the…

> marketing is doing engineering a disservice

I've never seen a company where both marketing and engineering agree on something. Marketing thinks we are a bunch of nerds and we think marketing floors have a much less density regarding neurons per square meter (so, in way we are both right).

By the way, marketing always win. They are closer to upper levels, the credit for success is (supposedly) theirs. They suggest all the bad tactics, technically and commercially. I can bet that a move like Chrome suggesting to ditch Edge is purely their idea, approved by upper levels and executed by engineers that can't say no.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Santosh83 wrote: post #62
hknd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are different teams within Google, and it's kinda not fair to say that Google is not truly behind open web standards. Their whole web developer advocate team is behind open web standards, and pushes it forward everyday. The engineering team actually working on Chrome is behind those standards, and pushes it forward. They work closely with other browser vendors. and try to make everything work everywhere. Then t…

Okay, I get it, but in that case the marketing is doing engineering a disservice when they implement needlessly aggressive and redundant advertising of Chrome on properties and user agents which ought to be almost 100% identical functionality in Chromium based (if not web standards compliant) browsers. To put it plainly I can understand if Google promotes Chrome when there is a genuine technical feature on one of the…

> so why?

Presumably so users get Google as their default search engine, which translates into more revenue. Google isn't running a charity with Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by snazz »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #71
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the latest version of Firefox and G Suite mail is quite performant indeed. I don't see where you're getting this.

I don't use Gmail anymore as a primary address, but when I do check my old address, Gmail takes up to 30 seconds to load on Firefox. Emails often take several seconds to delete, and if I close the tab a few seconds after deleting the emails, they don't actually get deleted, even if they appear to. I am not sure what exactly Gmail does on Firefox, but it makes using AOL.com in 2020 feel like a better email experience.

That’s something broken with your Firefox install or computer then. It’s very performant on any of my two G Suite and one Gmail accounts on Firefox as well as Chrome.

Re: Google Chrome's fear of Microsoft Edge is revealing its bad side

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Post by [deleted] »

jmnicolas wrote: post #58
jmkni wrote: post #44

Remember when Google deprecated an API used by uBlock Origin in Chrome, does anybody know if this same API is deprecated in the new Chromium based Edge as well? If it isn't, I'd actually choose Edge over Chrome on Windows as my daily driver.

The author said that the best platform to run ublock origin is Firefox, why not use it ? I only use Chrome for Goggle related stuff anyway, all my browsing goes through Firefox.

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