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Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

antpls wrote: post #62
carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

The point of democracy and electing mayors is to empower people to change their destiny. The chart shows that there population of the larger Paris area is increasing, as you yourself confirm:

> the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world

Why are new people coming there though? Are they coming to tie their lives to the City of Paris, but they must settle for the larger region because of the saturation? Or are they coming to join the Region of Paris because of its merits excluding the City?

If it's for the former, then they deserve some democratic influence on the place that brought them there, and the chart shows that the division into City of Paris and the rest denies the newcomers that influence.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by kolp »

toohotatopic wrote: post #13
roel_v wrote: post #3

At the same time, there is a 30m2 (323 sqft) Parisian apartment for sale for e1.2mm (USD 1.3mm). Not sure these things are quite compatible...

At 1% interests rate, that's e12.000 a year, e1000 a month. Not bad.

25 year repayment mortgage on €1m loan will cost about €4.3k per month. Based on actual lending rate of c. 2.3%.

Interest only loan will have lower monthly payments, but you will need to make an additional monthly contribution to an investment product, such as an endowment policy, in the hope that the investment product will be worth at least the outstanding capital at loan maturity.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by antpls »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #71
antpls wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article : "In her re-election campaign, Mayor Anne Hidalgo says that every Paris resident should be able to meet their essential needs within a short walk or bike ride." "Paris" is defined as Paris intra-muros + the Boulogne and Vincenne parks, which are limited in space and was saturated long time ago. You are a "Paris resident" if you live inside of the City of Paris (the green line of the plot). The chart…

The point of democracy and electing mayors is to empower people to change their destiny. The chart shows that there population of the larger Paris area is increasing, as you yourself confirm: > the region is expanding like any other capital's region in the world Why are new people coming there though? Are they coming to tie their lives to the City of Paris, but they must settle for the larger region because of the sa…

It's only my own opinion, but I believe there is too much centralization of national, international and diplomatic institutions inside the City of Paris. I am _for_ more decentralization of businesses and powers across the Region of Paris and across other cities of France. House pricing clearly shows that the City of Paris is a gravity center in terms of everything, which leads to many of the current traffic and pollution issues imo. Maybe a decentralization of France's institutions, powers, businesses etc could help it?

Edit : Idea : at each new presidential term, move all institutions and the french "white house" to Lyon or Marseilles, second biggest city of France. At the next presidential term, move everything again to Paris.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by gnopgnip »

d--b wrote: post #51

It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced. But the things you occasionally need are getting harder to get. Plumbers, electricians don’t want to come to the city anymore. They will facture in the awful traffic and the fines they get for the lack of parking space. Basica…

If everyone can get to what they need within 15 minutes, traffic as a whole would be greatly reduced

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by yostrovs »

enriquto wrote: post #63
carlob wrote: post #34

> In Paris, this isn’t necessarily such a tall order. The mayor oversees only the 2.2 million residents of the city’s heavily populated historic core, which already enjoys some of the use-mixing that the 15-minute-city concept encourages, thanks to its pre-industrial roots. This is the main problem of Paris and of Hidalgo. For most practical purposes Paris is a 10 million inhabitants city, yet only 2 get to vote for…

> commuters from other counties had to add some time to their commute and were furious. This is an unfortunate over-generalization. As an inhabitant of the banlieue, I was very happy for this development, and I'm pushing for the mayor of my commune to ban cars as well. Hoping that the whole urban area is wholly served by public transportation and biking. I hate cars, noise and pollution!

When I visited Paris, it was the scooters that annoyed me to no end. They sounded like two strokes and were everywhere. Will they be banned too?

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by hbbio »

_Microft wrote: post #66
d--b wrote: post #51

It’s all an election stunt to try and justify that her war on cars won’t affect Parisians. Ie. If you have everything you need in a 15min walk, you shouldn’t suffer that the traffic is reduced. But the things you occasionally need are getting harder to get. Plumbers, electricians don’t want to come to the city anymore. They will facture in the awful traffic and the fines they get for the lack of parking space. Basica…

Does Paris not issue parking permits to craftsmen? German cities offer special parking permits to businesses that need to have unwieldy or heavy gear with them at their customer's place. The yearly fee is in the low hundreds (maybe 250€ even in the larger cities) and usually includes free parking and that even in places where most people normally would not be allowed to park at all, e.g. on Anwohnerparkplätzen (resid…

> Does Paris not issue parking permits to craftsmen?

No

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by olivierduval »

With Hidalgo, Paris is becoming more and more an "Elysium" movie city-model: only a few decide Parisian of what will piss off everybody else. Remember the end of the movie ? ;-)

Btw... Elysium and Elysée - the Palace of the French President... in Paris - have the same root. If it can help to understand...

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by baud147258 »

yostrovs wrote: post #75
enriquto wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> commuters from other counties had to add some time to their commute and were furious. This is an unfortunate over-generalization. As an inhabitant of the banlieue, I was very happy for this development, and I'm pushing for the mayor of my commune to ban cars as well. Hoping that the whole urban area is wholly served by public transportation and biking. I hate cars, noise and pollution!

When I visited Paris, it was the scooters that annoyed me to no end. They sounded like two strokes and were everywhere. Will they be banned too?

Well, the scooters delivering their burgers and sushis to the hipsters voting for the current mayor, so it's rather unlikely.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by baud147258 »

tlear wrote: post #9

I am curious if the pickpockets still run rampant all over the tourist areas and subway. Few years back in 3 days: 1. Dad ran into undercover cop who on subway who told him to watch his stuff better :o 2. Got his phone stolen next day on subway, I guess cop was right 3. I witnessed the typical distract, grab and run.. good thing someone threw trip and got the runner to drop his prize 4. Had to deal with 3-4 typical:…

It's still the case. Saw it happen last year.

Re: Paris Mayor: It's Time for a '15-Minute City'

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Post by esotericn »

This seems possible in many major metropolitan areas, with the significant caveat that in order to live it most would need their wealth to be unlinked from their earned income.

Zone 1 and most parts of Zone 2 London close to stations are like this.

I've just looked it up out of interest and it makes me feel fairly privileged!

My flat has supermarkets, restaurants, a pharmacy, a bookshop, banks, a library, museums, one of the biggest parks in London, a hospital, schools, multiple tube stations, a GP, a dentist, etc etc within 15 minutes walk (actually I think 10 minutes).

But not everyone (in fact, barely anyone) can afford to live in those areas. Even if they could afford it in the sense of having the income to spend a ton of people choose to live further out and have such things as freehold homes, gardens, etc.

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