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Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by jrockway »

DavidVoid wrote: post #55

It's good to see these smaller gaming keyboards getting more common. I never got why people who play low mouse-sensitivity games like CS:GO use full-size keyboards that limit the space they have available for a big mousepad. An imo more interesting ergonomic gaming keyboard is the Azeron [1]. It's based on the old DataHand keyboards (which were way ahead of their time) and I hope that this kind of ergonomic layout be…

People like full keyboards for gaming so they can shit talk in chat. Though you can type "gg ez" without your right hand...

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by bashcoder »

DavidVoid wrote: post #57
lisper wrote: post #56

I'm not a gamer so I'm having a hard time visualizing how this thing is intended to be used. Is this for your left hand? [UPDATE] Based on a link in another comment I went to this site: https://www.azeron.eu/ It's really weird. Every image shows a device that looks like it is intended to be used with your left hand, except for one tiny image of someone actually using the thing. In that image, they are using it with t…

It is for your left hand since most gamers use the WASD keys for movement. Here's a video of a similar design being used to play Quake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyVSANPnLlg [EDIT] The Azeron comes in both right- and left-handed versions so that's why some images show a right hand. The Azeron works similarly to one half of a DataHand keyboard. This old infomercial shows how they're used https://www.youtube.com/…

Yes - this is the issue for me with the Razer controllers: They are right-handed only. Like the Sherbet, the Azeron is 3D printed, which of course makes it much easier to manufacture left-handed models. The Azeron looks good, but at nearly 200 euros it's pretty pricey.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by jaybeeayyy »

PrimeDirective wrote: post #31
diffeomorphism wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The picture would mostly be a hand obscuring anything under it. I am not sure how that would be useful?

a couple of additional pictures would be useful. right now I don't haven't got an idea how to hold it. fun fact, I went to youtube what Logitech G13 is and the first video that has anyone holding it is not even in top results.

took me a few minutes of looking at it all puzzled but I think if you go to the picture where he has the wrist rest put on it you can kind of see how it works. I think the wrist goes on the pad, thumb to the stick and your fingers will hit the keys. I do wish there was a video though.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by smrq »

tsukurimashou wrote: post #43

I tried the Razer Nostromo a while ago, while the idea looked nice, I couldn't get used to it and it ended up collecting dust somewhere

I had the same problem-- I think the ergonomics of it were awful, though. I couldn't even imagine how to hold it in such a way that it wouldn't try to slip out of my grasp when using the joystick.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by CodeMage »

russellbeattie wrote: post #23

Heh. Not one picture of his hand actually using this thing. "Oh, someone might want to see if it works?" Gotta love that pure technical mindset.

It would be really nice if the author could add a few images or a video of how it's used. I'm really, really bad at visualization.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by anotheryou »

jagger27 wrote: post #13

Nice use of Kailh's Choc switches. I wish there were other keycap options out there for them though. It's such a shame that injection moulding is so expensive to get off the ground.

If you like these caps: https://kono.store/collections/all-products-list/products/he...

I asked them about the caps and they said:

> Please contact support@kono.store — we can probably sell you used keycaps from a returned keyboard

sadly non-us shipping is expensive too :/

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Maybe also other switches' caps might work. Similar switches I found:

- kailh low profile (aka kailh choc)

- logitech GL

- Gateron low profile

- Fraly (choc brown clones?)

- Cherry ML (size difference of 0.2mm or something)

Caps I found:

- Logitech GL (laser etched I think): https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000576425713.html?spm=a2g0o...

- Kailh choc transparent and default blank coated https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33063214508.html?spm=a2g0o.p...

- Kailh choc "default" double shot https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32915900901.html?spm=a2g0o.p...

- Kailh choc blank "raw" (yellowish)https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33026798318.html?spm=a2g0o.d...

- and a goup buy: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/eq6vzs...

- coming soon by @Adron: https://old.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/eh9vdj...

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

DavidVoid wrote: post #55

It's good to see these smaller gaming keyboards getting more common. I never got why people who play low mouse-sensitivity games like CS:GO use full-size keyboards that limit the space they have available for a big mousepad. An imo more interesting ergonomic gaming keyboard is the Azeron [1]. It's based on the old DataHand keyboards (which were way ahead of their time) and I hope that this kind of ergonomic layout be…

Counterstrike pros do a lot of things that seem weird at first, like playing low resolution 4:3 on a 16:9 monitor, with black bars on the sides. That seems ridiculous until you consider that they don't actually need that extra field of view (since if an opponent catches you looking away, you'll lose), and it makes player models larger on screen.

As far as keyboards, I believe most of them are using full size keyboards, not even tenkeyless, because they need the number pad for buy binds. Also, many of them rotate their keyboard slightly clockwise. I'm not exactly sure why, but it does get rid of ulnar deviation as well as take up less room on the desk.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by wy35 »

BossingAround wrote: post #64

Respect to the person making it. I love ergonomic mechanical keyboards, but I have 0 skills to make them, so I've paid several hundred dollars to the EZ company for their Ergodox/Planck keyboards. Love both to death though. Wish I could improve my electrical skills enough to actually make one of these from scratch.

As someone with zero formal electrical education and have built multiple keyboards, it really is easier than it looks. Just a decent soldering and a build guide us all you need.

Now, designing the PCB or hand-wiring (lik in the OP) is obviously a bit more involved. However, the most complicated circuitry is just a diode matrix. It really is that easy.

Edit: not to take away from the OP -- his build is definitely impressive and time-consuming. But if you're thinking of designing and building your own keyboard, the concepts are quite simple.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by DavidVoid »

rhinoceraptor wrote: post #77
DavidVoid wrote: post #55

It's good to see these smaller gaming keyboards getting more common. I never got why people who play low mouse-sensitivity games like CS:GO use full-size keyboards that limit the space they have available for a big mousepad. An imo more interesting ergonomic gaming keyboard is the Azeron [1]. It's based on the old DataHand keyboards (which were way ahead of their time) and I hope that this kind of ergonomic layout be…

Counterstrike pros do a lot of things that seem weird at first, like playing low resolution 4:3 on a 16:9 monitor, with black bars on the sides. That seems ridiculous until you consider that they don't actually need that extra field of view (since if an opponent catches you looking away, you'll lose), and it makes player models larger on screen. As far as keyboards, I believe most of them are using full size keyboard…

>Also, many of them rotate their keyboard slightly clockwise. I'm not exactly sure why, but it does get rid of ulnar deviation as well as take up less room on the desk.

The reason I've always heard for that is that desk space on LAN tournaments used to be pretty limited so they had to rotate their keyboards like that in order to fit them, and now they're just doing it out of habit. And I get that buy binds are convenient but it doesn't seem worth the extra desk space, especially not when there are many other unused keys that can be used for buy binds instead.

Re: Sherbet: An Ergonomic Gaming Keypad

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Post by DavidVoid »

jrockway wrote: post #71
DavidVoid wrote: post #55

It's good to see these smaller gaming keyboards getting more common. I never got why people who play low mouse-sensitivity games like CS:GO use full-size keyboards that limit the space they have available for a big mousepad. An imo more interesting ergonomic gaming keyboard is the Azeron [1]. It's based on the old DataHand keyboards (which were way ahead of their time) and I hope that this kind of ergonomic layout be…

People like full keyboards for gaming so they can shit talk in chat. Though you can type "gg ez" without your right hand...

When I wrote full-size I meant that they could be using Tenkeyless (no numpad) or 60% (no numpad, arrow cluster, or F-row) keyboards instead of normal full-size ones.

See the deskthority wiki for more details on various keyboard sizes. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Compact_keyboard

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