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Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by jen20 »

rantanplan wrote: post #41
skriticos2 wrote: post #20

I just recently switched to kubuntu (KDE) back from fedora (Gnome 3). On one hand I do like that the desktop does not try to re-define basic muscle memory things, like changing the shortcut if you try to switch between two windows of the same application. (Seriously Gnome, WTF?). On the other hand it crashed left and right after install (less so now that it settled down a bit) and there are a million QA type problems…

Kubuntu is, and always has been really bad, as a KDE distro. Just use the Fedora KDE spin. I've been using it for the past 10 years or so.

I tried Kubuntu this week, and it’s the first time I’ve seen a desktop linux distro where everything works, and the experience is not made miserable somehow by poor font rendering or lack of suspend/resume or external display capability. I put lots of this down to Ubuntu but also a lot of it to KDE, so I’d be interested in knowing why Fedora is supposedly an improvement?

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by dman »

majewsky wrote: post #63
dman wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things like dwm / i3 handle this much better since there isnt any UI to scale. You just set the right font size and you are good to go.

HiDPI support is more than setting a font size for the task bar. The tricky part is getting application windows to rescale their UI as they're moved between screens with different scaling factors (e.g. from a notebook screen with high DPI to a projector with low DPI).

That was kind of my point - the more starkly minimalist the workflow the easier it is to make it pixel perfect and look exactly as you intended.

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by NullPrefix »

jonny383 wrote: post #11
haspok wrote: post #7

How about proper multi-display support (including mixing HiDPI and low-res displays)? Every time I connect my FHD laptop to my UHD monitor the windows on the desktop move around completely randomly. It is better than before, because they used to move outside the visible area, they fixed at least that. But hey, at least there is an Emoji Selector now (???).

Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). KDE honestly seems the best for this, although on the latest version of GNOME has fractional scaling available behind a flag (although also buggy and very slow).

>Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary).

Works fine for me on i3 (X11).

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by pjmlp »

haspok wrote: post #7

How about proper multi-display support (including mixing HiDPI and low-res displays)? Every time I connect my FHD laptop to my UHD monitor the windows on the desktop move around completely randomly. It is better than before, because they used to move outside the visible area, they fixed at least that. But hey, at least there is an Emoji Selector now (???).

I have long come to accept that unless one is at an Hollywood powerhouse, anything graphics related is better done on Windows/macOS.

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by shrikant »

toupeira wrote: post #61
shrikant wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [...] multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). Testify :( I'm still struggling to get my (IMHO, extremely vanilla) setup working (Ubuntu on Thinkpad T430 + 2 external QHD monitors), and I'd appreciate any pointers to any resources that can help me resolve this.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI has lots of information. I have a Thinkpad X1C and an external monitor, both with QHD resolution. What I ended up with is using xrandr scaling to increase the resolution of the external monitor (probably should have gotten a 4K instead...), and tweaking font sizes and Firefox's UI scaling until it looks okay on both screens. For QT apps I also had to set QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE…

This looks useful -- thanks! Will try out some of the suggestions mentioned here.

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by diffeomorphism »

dman wrote: post #72
majewsky wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HiDPI support is more than setting a font size for the task bar. The tricky part is getting application windows to rescale their UI as they're moved between screens with different scaling factors (e.g. from a notebook screen with high DPI to a projector with low DPI).

That was kind of my point - the more starkly minimalist the workflow the easier it is to make it pixel perfect and look exactly as you intended.

So the parts of the UI that are i3/dwm scale. Everything else like email, browser, image editing, applications, the stuff that actually matter, doesn't.

Sure, if you only ever need a text editor you don't need to care about scaling anything but fonts, but that is not the case for most people and unrelated to which WM or DE you use.

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by diffeomorphism »

haspok wrote: post #7

How about proper multi-display support (including mixing HiDPI and low-res displays)? Every time I connect my FHD laptop to my UHD monitor the windows on the desktop move around completely randomly. It is better than before, because they used to move outside the visible area, they fixed at least that. But hey, at least there is an Emoji Selector now (???).

Stupid question: What is the point of mixed dpi?

If you have a large UHD monitor, why would you still use the small lowres screen? Conversely, if you are willing to use a large lowres screen, why not simply set the other screen to half resolution to get the same dpi?

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by diffeomorphism »

shrikant wrote: post #27
jonny383 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). KDE honestly seems the best for this, although on the latest version of GNOME has fractional scaling available behind a flag (although also buggy and very slow).

> [...] multi-display monitor support is a mess on Linux (especially if you so anything slightly out of the ordinary). Testify :( I'm still struggling to get my (IMHO, extremely vanilla) setup working (Ubuntu on Thinkpad T430 + 2 external QHD monitors), and I'd appreciate any pointers to any resources that can help me resolve this.

Is that about weird multistream displayport connections? Two times QHD is definitely not vanilla and was unsupported on windows until a while ago as well.

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by diffeomorphism »

elkos wrote: post #70

I'm a Debian user that uses KDE (most of the timel, in many cases people insist on suggesting that the standard KDE experience in Debian is subpar. I'm am fairly happy with it but is anyone aware of a solution to enhance that experience to something more close to what the KDE community considers ideal?

KDE on debian is fine. The issue is that debian wants long term releases and kde only releases those sometimes and not necessarily at a time that fits debian's schedule.

So you often get "kde as it was two years ago". The horror! After all, we all remember how using computers two years ago was pure agony until things radically changed...

Re: Plasma 5.18

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Post by skat20phys »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #22
skriticos2 wrote: post #20

I just recently switched to kubuntu (KDE) back from fedora (Gnome 3). On one hand I do like that the desktop does not try to re-define basic muscle memory things, like changing the shortcut if you try to switch between two windows of the same application. (Seriously Gnome, WTF?). On the other hand it crashed left and right after install (less so now that it settled down a bit) and there are a million QA type problems…

Kubuntu has a bad reputation for a reason. The fractional scaling could use some work, agreed. The foundations seem rock solid, but work on new stuff (e.g. wayland, fractional scaling) could be quicker.

I use kubuntu as my preferred system and love it.

I will say that in my experience initial releases are often kinda glitchy or something, and that it can take awhile for brand new hardware etc to be supported well. But it's usually solved by just waiting a bit for the second version.

Classic flamewar statement here, but I've had fewer headaches overall with kubuntu than gnome flavors of Ubuntu (which Ive had to use for work). Deb+kde is a great combination. Maybe there's a better way to get that but I've always gone back to kubuntu when I've tried something else.

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