Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows • Hacker News Board

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#71

Post by bitL » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 7:50 AM UTC

bitL wrote: post #51

austinjp wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> days 6-7 show some ugly symptoms of previous diseases Could you describe this? I'm not sure what it means.

I started to feel some past problems in e.g. neck area from some botched gym exercises, inside head where I had often sinusitis problems, some left leg issues etc. They seemed to escalate quite a bit, to the point of pain, I was on the verge of breaking the fast but I kept going, then on day 7 all those symptoms disappeared and I haven't experienced them since my last long fast. Not sure if they were of physical or n…

Actually, this is quite cool, after 5 days of fasting human growth hormone jumps to 10-20x normal level and that corresponds to me feeling miserable on the 6th day, then again great on 7th. It's now starting to make sense why some physical injuries were felt and then disappeared.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#72

Post by omilu » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 12:34 PM UTC

foxyv wrote: post #10

Lately I've been doing 7 day fasts two times a year mostly to reduce visceral fat and reduce my chance of type 2 diabetes. However a lot of science is pointing to it being a good way to reduce cancer risk. Nothing definitive, but it's nice to think I may be helping my body fight possible cancer too. Maybe I will catch some of these things early during these phases where the genes are present but the cancer hasn't beg…

Steve Jobs fasted often and ate a very limited diet, cancer still got him.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#73

Post by dghughes » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

pajaroide wrote: post #33

dghughes wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That reminds me of people who follow the Calorie Restriction Optimal Nutrition (CRON) diet. Only they practically starve themselves everyday. I know it's not the goal they do try to consume on the absolute necessary nutrients. My theory is someday CRON will surpass veganism merely for one-up-manship.

Veganism is mostly about reducing animal suffering. It also has a health angle but it's mostly about the ethics of killing animals when we can have a complete and healthy diet eating plant-based (plus fungi).

I know what veganism is but it's promoted by its followers as healthy when in reality it's based on dogma.

Anyone can choose what diet they want. Vegetarianism is just as good but it seems to be too tame for some people. It strikes me that many follow veganism merely as one-up-manship, posturing, or due to intimidation.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#74

Post by TurkishPoptart » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

bitL wrote: post #47

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you consume during this time? How do you know it's safe? I'd like to try this sometime. Do you have any advice?

First, try just 1-2 days but remove all caffeine/sugar like a week ahead. Once you can do 1-2 days without any major problems, try doing 3 days (Friday + weekend). Once you are fine with that, try 5-7 days, water + electrolytes only, no food, no juice; drink however as much as you want, if you feel weird, drink more (always with electrolytes). If something really feels off, have some energy bars ready to intervene an…

Thank you for this. Can you comment as to why you think it's necessary to remove all caffeine and sugar in advance? The reason I ask is that I have a penchant for black coffee and imagine that it's useful as an appetite suppressant.

Re: Signs of cancer can appear long before diagnosis, study shows

#75

Post by bitL » Fri, Feb 07, 2020, 9:11 PM UTC

TurkishPoptart wrote: post #74

bitL wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, try just 1-2 days but remove all caffeine/sugar like a week ahead. Once you can do 1-2 days without any major problems, try doing 3 days (Friday + weekend). Once you are fine with that, try 5-7 days, water + electrolytes only, no food, no juice; drink however as much as you want, if you feel weird, drink more (always with electrolytes). If something really feels off, have some energy bars ready to intervene an…

Thank you for this. Can you comment as to why you think it's necessary to remove all caffeine and sugar in advance? The reason I ask is that I have a penchant for black coffee and imagine that it's useful as an appetite suppressant.

Because you might have nasty withdrawal effects like strong headache on the first evening that could persuade you to break the fast immediately. You can gradually tone down your coffee intake so that at the beginning of the fast you won't have those effects.