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Re: What It's Like to Work on League of Legends

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Post by Areibman »

I spent a few days at Riot for one of their hackathons. First of all, the entire space feels like a video game inspired theme park. It's really unlike anything I've seen before. While I can't speak to what the daily routine looks like, I was blown away by how passionate Rioters were about shipping great software and UX. I spoke with one of the lead designers for the Ezreal re-work, and it's shocking to learn just how much effort goes into every minor detail. They do everything in their power to ensure users love the product. That's not the kind of culture you find at your typical software shop.

Also, Riot has an excellent developer community and API[0]. Riot believes that the community, not just the engineering staff, makes the product great. So, a lot of effort goes into making sure 3rd party developers can work with the LoL brand.

[0] https://developer.riotgames.com

Re: What It's Like to Work on League of Legends

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Post by AmericanChopper »

keanzu wrote: post #67
AmericanChopper wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment smells like outrage mongering. How could I know that you didn’t post it yourself? All the reviews are equally unreliable, you can’t just pick out the ones that you like.

> How could I know that you didn’t post it yourself? You can't? How could anyone else know that I didn't write "smells like outrage mongering", maybe I enjoy arguing with myself. The only people who know for sure are you and I ... if we are even two different people, maybe you are my sock puppet, maybe I am yours. Who can prove that we are or aren't? Assuming that I did write every comment in the entire tree - what d…

All perfectly reasonably points. Which is why anecdata should generally not be taken very seriously. Especially when the author of it has some seriously questionable motives, which is the case with Glassdoor. The two groups of people who have the strongest motive to post something on Glassdoor are disgruntled employees (and an employee can become disgruntled in any work place, no matter how good or how terrible it might be), and astroturfers (and perhaps also competitors, but I have no idea how good they are at policing that). It has exactly the same set of problems that any review site has. Perhaps it’s aggregate data can reveal some truths, perhaps not. But a single review (especially one that is either strongly negative or strongly positive) reveals nothing.

Re: What It's Like to Work on League of Legends

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Post by keanzu »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #72
keanzu wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How could I know that you didn’t post it yourself? You can't? How could anyone else know that I didn't write "smells like outrage mongering", maybe I enjoy arguing with myself. The only people who know for sure are you and I ... if we are even two different people, maybe you are my sock puppet, maybe I am yours. Who can prove that we are or aren't? Assuming that I did write every comment in the entire tree - what d…

All perfectly reasonably points. Which is why anecdata should generally not be taken very seriously. Especially when the author of it has some seriously questionable motives, which is the case with Glassdoor. The two groups of people who have the strongest motive to post something on Glassdoor are disgruntled employees (and an employee can become disgruntled in any work place, no matter how good or how terrible it mi…

Upvoted.

> But a single review reveals nothing.

Agreed. The top comment presents a single review. Anecdata, little informational value - outrage mongering, fair point. That was responded to by Reedx who disputed the value of a single review (ok) and presented what was implied to be a broader cross-section of reviews. One of those felt peculiar, not phrasing I would expect in 59 independent reviews. I dug up the only sample I could find and smelled astroturf.

Although my comment was negative I didn't address the point: "Why cherry pick 1 review?". Perhaps I should have opened by agreeing with Reedx that ancedata != data.

Perhaps we can both agree to:

Is Glassdoor a reliable and unbiased (including selection bias) source of information? Hell no.

Did I contribute in some part to the outrage mongering by not affirming Reedx's good point and writing a wholly negative reply? Yes.

Re: What It's Like to Work on League of Legends

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Post by AmericanChopper »

keanzu wrote: post #73
AmericanChopper wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All perfectly reasonably points. Which is why anecdata should generally not be taken very seriously. Especially when the author of it has some seriously questionable motives, which is the case with Glassdoor. The two groups of people who have the strongest motive to post something on Glassdoor are disgruntled employees (and an employee can become disgruntled in any work place, no matter how good or how terrible it mi…

Upvoted. > But a single review reveals nothing. Agreed. The top comment presents a single review. Anecdata, little informational value - outrage mongering, fair point. That was responded to by Reedx who disputed the value of a single review (ok) and presented what was implied to be a broader cross-section of reviews. One of those felt peculiar, not phrasing I would expect in 59 independent reviews. I dug up the only…

I don’t disagree with anything here at all.

Re: What It's Like to Work on League of Legends

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Post by Karunamon »

taneq wrote: post #34
Karunamon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorta, but it's limited in silly ways. Saved replays are basically dead after every patch since they are a hack around the spectator system.

Are you talking about LoL or Starcraft (whose replays also randomly stopped working after patches)?

In LoL's case it's explicitly enforced. Every time there's a patch, old replays go away.
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