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U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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That would be fine. If the cost of living matched these lower salaries.

That's what I meant by relative terms. Relative to cost of living, American tech workers get paid much more than any tech workers anywhere else in the world. American tech workers get paid close to American doctors and get to enjoy doctor-level prosperity. Canadian doctors, in relative terms, get paid about as much as American doctors and get to enjoy similar levels of prosperity as them. Canadian tech workers, howev…

>Canadian doctors, in relative terms, get paid about as much as American doctors and get to enjoy similar levels of prosperity as them.

This is again incorrect. Canada has a significant issue with brain drain in medicine as grads, like their CS counterparts, head south for better salaries and a better quality of life.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Vancouverite here. When major tech companies started setting up satellite offices here, I assumed it'd be a temporary situation, and that we'd be at the mercy of any change in the U.S. immigration process. The longer there's an immigration bottleneck though, the more entrenched these companies become here. There are more senior roles opening up here all the time, and salaries are increasing in this competitive market…

This is how the film industry moved to California from New York. Back then it was far enough away not to worry about Edison patent lawsuits. By the time the rail improved and the patents expired, Hollywood (they tried Fremond and Tanforan first) was entrenched. There's really nothing like working in the Valley but not everyone likes it and if there's a solid alternative I suspect that Vancouver and Toronto will conti…

I just learned about the Niles Film Museum a few weeks ago; I think it was on the bay area podcast?

http://nilesfilmmuseum.org

Edit: "Bay Curious" podcast https://www.npr.org/podcasts/500557090/bay-curious

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Let's not pretend that Canadian cities are a utopia for tech workers. Vancouver and Toronto are insanely expensive and salaries just don't compare to those a hundred kilometres to the south. Hopefully it steadily improves but I'm not hopeful with these tech companies having virtually an unlimited supply and no incentive to boost salaries.

Toronto may be expensive but it's not SF-level expensive. Salaries may not compare but you don't have to worry about basic things like healthcare and high-powered weaponry in the streets. Those are just the top two–there are many other reasons to move to Canada than just money.

If you work for an SF company, you don’t have to worry about healthcare either. As far as “high powered weaponry,” that’s just hyperbole. Toronto has a higher homicide rate than New York. https://www.blogto.com/city/2018/06/toronto-homicide-rate-no...

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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I'm at somewhat of a cross-roads related to this matter. Note that this mostly applies to immigrants from India or China. I'm from India. This applies irrespective of education level (I did my Bachelors in the US, just FYI) Currently I'm in the US on a student visa (currently during a period of that visa that permits me to work) that expires in a couple years. I cannot renew it. If I want to continue working in the U…

> Guess how much time it takes to get a greed card? Atleast 100 years. I'm not joking. Unless there's a policy change, there's no possibility. So my entire family migrated from India (not H1B though, so no idea what that process is like), and some are still migrating, and this is just ridiculous. Green cards and citizenship are issued quite regularly. I'm not going to say its fast, but it's not literally 100 years (c…

That's the current prediction because of the backlog. Family-based migration is different. On a H1B visa, if you get a priority date today, it'll take you a very long time to get your green card. Every year, the backlog moves by 1-2 months. i.e. in the last 6 months, I think the backlog went from processing applications from April 2009 to June 2009. Some months it doesn't move at all. I don't think you know how this system works. Of course, people exploit family-based migration which is more permissive and bring their extended family here but the situation is completely different for people on work-based visas.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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I'm at somewhat of a cross-roads related to this matter. Note that this mostly applies to immigrants from India or China. I'm from India. This applies irrespective of education level (I did my Bachelors in the US, just FYI) Currently I'm in the US on a student visa (currently during a period of that visa that permits me to work) that expires in a couple years. I cannot renew it. If I want to continue working in the U…

Now is the time to leave. 18 years in the US with a kid born here. I missed the boat in getting my priority date around the time when my friends were getting theirs (my company was laying off people in other departments and my application got audited). Didn't think it was a big deal at that time. Now, my friends are getting their citizenships and I'm still stuck on a visa. I'm at the whim of the Consul officer and th…

>>Come back on a L1 visa and boom you can apply in the EB-1 category and get your green card in a couple of years.

Those days are gone now. You go into EB-1 only if you get into the US on L1-A. They don't give L1-A's easily these days. For starters you need to be in director level positions to even qualify for L1-A's. Even then the waiting period for India EB-1 itself is growing and stands at 5+ years now. And it will only increase.

>>I've quite a few friends who easily got their green cards working for TCS, Infosys, etc.

Put the saddle on the right horse. People who come in from those companies often work for The real deal is Cgnzt which even until recently filed L1-A's and EB-1's for thousands/lacs of people by cooking up documents. Often promoting some one with a BCom degree to a director, granting them a GC and then rolling back the promotion. Thousands to lacs have made it to GC and Passports this way. When I worked for a short time in the US, it was painful to see PhD students in Stanford struggle for little extra stay, while some one with a basic 2 year diploma land GCs in like an year. In fact even until recently the biggest incentive to work at Cgnzt was this.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/...

8.4 lac Indians got citizenship only last year. 5.8 lac got green cards. This is basically abuse max.

Add this to manager's pets who routinely get their documents cooked to be Nobel Prize worthy talent and land GC's. Literally the wrongest possible people occupy the numbers these days. Add to this a large number of body shopping firms.

There are several top level doctors, lawyers and scientists who don't even get B1's.

In short we Indians bought this upon ourselves. Like everything else. We abuse things so much, so far and so blatantly it makes things impossible for the real people when they arrive at the scene.

I'm one of those people who got burned badly due to all these politics at every level. I have largely given up, you just need to get very lucky early life to win at these things. Or cheat shamelessly.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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You're still paying for it, but like payroll taxes it comes out of your salary before you even see it which makes people think it's "free".

Sure, and if you live in Canada, you're explicitly paying for healthcare in the form of high taxes.

Probably lower than what Americans pay (between 2.9%-3.8% Medicare tax plus insurance premiums). America's healthcare system is really bloated and inefficient compared to developed countries.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Toronto may be expensive but it's not SF-level expensive. Salaries may not compare but you don't have to worry about basic things like healthcare and high-powered weaponry in the streets. Those are just the top two–there are many other reasons to move to Canada than just money.

I understand SF folks are paying $500-1,000/mo for healthcare?

Not even close. I pay a $250 premium for my family of 6, my employer pays the rest. My health coverage is worth $24,000 per year if I paid out of pocket — with the SV salary differential between Canada and Silicon Valley, I am still coming out much further ahead even if I had to pay 100% of my own insurance.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Many of these jobs can be performed anywhere--even on the go.

Whatever the ultimate corporate goals may be, this topic is clearly a control issue, not a talent one.

In software, talent can do what it wants wherever it feels like doing it--businesses will yield to it.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Let's not pretend that Canadian cities are a utopia for tech workers. Vancouver and Toronto are insanely expensive and salaries just don't compare to those a hundred kilometres to the south. Hopefully it steadily improves but I'm not hopeful with these tech companies having virtually an unlimited supply and no incentive to boost salaries.

Language barrier aside, Montréal seems like a hidden gem.

But you have to put up with cold winters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal#Climate

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're still paying for it, but like payroll taxes it comes out of your salary before you even see it which makes people think it's "free".

Sure, and if you live in Canada, you're explicitly paying for healthcare in the form of high taxes.

> Sure, and if you live in Canada, you're explicitly paying for healthcare in the form of high taxes.

You mean, “the United States”, not Canada, right? The US pays more (not just per capita, but as a share of GDP, and thus would need higher taxes to pay for it) out of public funds for healthcare than Canada does. See, e.g., https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-...

The US, unlike Canada, also pays a bit more in private funds on healthcare than it does in private funds.

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