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Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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That's nice and all. But I'd much rather just build PCs in-house for work. It is just a serviceability issue. These systems often incorporate nonstandard power supplies, motherboards and such, making it difficult to repair and in many cases, impossible to upgrade piecemeal. Since building my most recent work PC in 2012, I have: Upgraded the memory. Added hard drives, including a couple SSDs recently. Upgraded the pow…

For a PC to use at home, I agree 100%. If you're the kind of person that's likely to upgrade RAM or components I wouldn't recommend this for personal use. This is geared toward enterprise use. Think, corporate IT department that needs to support dozens of these. They want a service contract and they'll probably replace the lot of them in five years. Having some weird proprietary components in there isn't a problem. A…

I actually used to work in IT in a place that built their own systems at least for the engineers using CAD.

Generally by the time anyone would want to upgrade anything in the system it was time for a new system anyway. It did save on initial costs of each machine, and made replacing individual parts easier.

There were roughly 80-100 of these in service at anyone time, built in batches of ten refreshed normally when someone complained.

I don't think this system would have kept scaling though, it took roughly 2 hours just to build assuming no issues. RMA for failed parts took awhile, and meant that more time spent fixing it. The hours were starting to add up when I left, and I can't imagine they continued.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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https://www.computerworld.com/article/2890166/lenovo-to-flus... I have no trust for Lenovo after this incident.

️ Things happen. It's embarrassing to have to disclose such a thing to the public, but they did. I don't recall anything nefarious and they owned up - to at least some extent. That is more than a lot companies can say. Is that the ONLY reason why you dis Lenovo? Because if so, it makes them that much more attractive in my book of flippant remarks

> I don't recall anything nefarious...

Deliberately bundling adware that injects fake results with affiliate links into search engines [1] on their machines seems nefarious in itself. The MITM of SSL connections just seems like an unexpected added bonus on top, and it took the US Department of Homeland Security to make Lenovo own up to it [2].

[1] https://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/02/19/lenovo-caught-inst...

[2] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lenovo-cybersecurity-dhs/...

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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post #59

That's nice and all. But I'd much rather just build PCs in-house for work. It is just a serviceability issue. These systems often incorporate nonstandard power supplies, motherboards and such, making it difficult to repair and in many cases, impossible to upgrade piecemeal. Since building my most recent work PC in 2012, I have: Upgraded the memory. Added hard drives, including a couple SSDs recently. Upgraded the pow…

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Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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Right. The Linux machine starts above $6000, and the Windows 10 machines start below $2000. You do not get the option to select Ubuntu on the low-end machines, although it would work.

Microsoft is really scared of vendors selling low-cost Linux desktops and laptops.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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https://www.computerworld.com/article/2890166/lenovo-to-flus... I have no trust for Lenovo after this incident.

️ Things happen. It's embarrassing to have to disclose such a thing to the public, but they did. I don't recall anything nefarious and they owned up - to at least some extent. That is more than a lot companies can say. Is that the ONLY reason why you dis Lenovo? Because if so, it makes them that much more attractive in my book of flippant remarks

> I don't recall anything nefarious

If an SSL backdoor installed by the OEM doesn't strike you as nefarious, I have beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

️ Things happen. It's embarrassing to have to disclose such a thing to the public, but they did. I don't recall anything nefarious and they owned up - to at least some extent. That is more than a lot companies can say. Is that the ONLY reason why you dis Lenovo? Because if so, it makes them that much more attractive in my book of flippant remarks

> Is that the ONLY reason why you dis Lenovo? They installed spyware. That is more than enough reason to lose trust. IIRC, they did it more than once too[1]. If that isn’t cause enough, what is? Would it take pre-installed ransomware to lose trust? https://thehackernews.com/2015/09/lenovo-laptop-virus.html?m...

> They installed spyware. That is more than enough reason to lose trust.

I agree on principle, but Lenovo is no less trustworthy than any Smart TV manufacturer, such as Samsung, Sony, or LG.

It has become a common industry practice to subsidize consumer hardware with pre-installed spyware. The only solution here is to replace the pre-installed OS with an open-source alternative.

I would still pick Lenovo ThinkPad running Fedora Workstation over any iMac or Macbook product.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop. I love Ubuntu server, but some quick issues with Ubuntu desktop- Netflix needs a hard to install plugin, mouse acceleration cannot be disabled completely, unstable operating system installs that could break with a reboot or update. Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

Netflix works fine on the latest Firefox and Chromium, included as default on a large number of distros.

Ever since the Widevine fiasco Netflix and Amazon have just worked out of the box on Linux.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I messed with the low-end config a a bit, and it looked like the "Windows 10 Pro 64bit English,Spanish,French" license is more like around $100. Still a nice drop though. Too bad there's no way to choose "No OS installed", but maybe Canonical kicks them a little bit of money to offer Ubuntu.

Didn't Europe (maybe someone else) forbid shipping computers without operating systems? Might be because of that.

Yeah, and Lenovo gets around this by shipping every machine at least with FreeDOS, which technically is an operating system.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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How about starting offering refund for the Windows tax for Linux users on any purchased hardware? Lenovo are disgusting in refusing to refund the Windows tax. One of the worst companies to deal with in this regard.

Of course, a lot better would be to have an option to buy any of their computers with Linux to begin with.

Re: Lenovo now shipping Ubuntu on high end workstations in the US

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I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop. I love Ubuntu server, but some quick issues with Ubuntu desktop- Netflix needs a hard to install plugin, mouse acceleration cannot be disabled completely, unstable operating system installs that could break with a reboot or update. Like I said, love ubuntu server, but I can't understand why Ubuntu desktop is recommended.

> I'm not sure how Ubuntu desktop became the standard for Linux desktop.

It's not even the most popular distro these days. It was just hyped too much in the past, and there is still the afterglow of that.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi...

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