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A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Since the wavelength of 60GHz is approximately 5 millimeters, this technology is sometimes referred to as millimeter-wave (mm-wave). (Copied quote).

That explains how close together the antennas are - close enough compared to wavelength to be able to beamform.

Edit: also explains why it would be extremely difficult to build something yourself at 60GHz - where every wire needs length to be matched to submillimeter length, and a submillimeter tail acts as an antenna and as an electronic component.

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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I love how industry came up with ever crazier schemes to stream content from phones and laptops to TVs. There must have been three different attempts involving WiFi alone, but this phased array mmWave 60 GHz million bucks basic research abomination surely takes the cake. Meanwhile, some Google engineer realized you could solve 90% of phone-to-TV streaming applications and 100% of the hard technical problems by just t…

Yes, genius if the content is asynchronous. Any real-time or interactive display will need to be able to stream at sub-frame latencies. At 60fps that means less than 16ms, at VR friendly refresh rates ~90fps that means 11ms. While their approach works beautifully for their core competencies, static and non-interactive streaming content, it doesn't really work for any other application.

Doesn't stadia use it?

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

#73

> What would be really cool is to build a USB board that plugs into one of the SB9210 boards and connects to gnuradio. You could do all kinds of neat radar experiments, presence detection, beam forming, you name it. Kind of like a 60 GHz RTL-SDR. Maybe a dumb question, but how is it even possible to do SDR with 60GHz signal on a ~4GHz CPU via a 5Gbps USB3 connection? EDIT: I guess via down-conversion? https://en.wiki…

Or just buffer each broadcast segment into some 60GHz memory (is there such a thing?), and either rely on your signalling protocol being TDMI (and you therefore not needing to send/receive more than a fraction of the time) or on your broadcast signal being periodically repeating, such that the radio can just treat that memory as a ring buffer to play over and over.

Or, do what old computer architectures did when their CPUs were slower than their DACs: add a Programmable Interval Timer (i.e. a very simple synthesizer) in between, such that you just send a few commands and it adds together some 60GHz triangle and square waves to achieve the signal shape you want. Maybe even add a sequencer, and then stream it some 60GHz MIDI files!

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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> What would be really cool is to build a USB board that plugs into one of the SB9210 boards and connects to gnuradio. You could do all kinds of neat radar experiments, presence detection, beam forming, you name it. Kind of like a 60 GHz RTL-SDR. Maybe a dumb question, but how is it even possible to do SDR with 60GHz signal on a ~4GHz CPU via a 5Gbps USB3 connection? EDIT: I guess via down-conversion? https://en.wiki…

The data itself isn't 60 GHz, you're just modulating it onto a 60 GHz carrier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would instead move toward "aggressively tax passive investment above some limit." The issue isn't large amounts of money. The issue is large amounts of idle money.

Is passive investment really idle? If you give it to a bank, they turn it into loans. If you invest in stocks, you're driving up the value of the shares so the company can sell at a premium to innovate. If you invest in corporate bonds, you're giving cash to companies to innovate (or at least helping increase the value of loans, which decreases future interest rates, encouraging innovation). The only way to make your…

> If you invest in corporate bonds, you're giving cash to companies to innovate (or at least helping increase the value of loans, which decreases future interest rates, encouraging innovation).

The point is that the way banks or other consolidated funds allocate this funding to corporate accounts, can be either inefficient or misanthropic if you take a certain stance toward innovation, namely that innovation isn't quite the same as rent capture and should be more than just efficiency for existing processes.

Share price can decouple from the actual profitability of a corporation which gives the bank the option of either selling or providing a cash injection if the corporation risks solvency. And then if they run out of everyone else's cash they can ask the Fed to print more just so that they can continue the cycle of ownership for that corporation.

But all that does for the economy on a whole is (a) raise the total rate of inflation for everyone, including people who aren't invested in the bank and (b) consolidate more and more assets into the holdings of these banks, and by association the actual wealth (while not actually creating anything that can give you more money than you put into it, otherwise you wouldn't need the cash injection).

This is what 2008 gave us: a feedback loop where more growth of non-profitable companies needs more inflation, and more inflation requires more growth from your holdings.

If Uber and Amazon are anything to go off of this strategy is actually preferred, probably due to the thesis that "software can eat the world" and you ought to lose as much cash as possible to "innovate" new interfaces to commodity industries at any cost, which essentially optimizes existing supply chains instead of finding use for novel technological capabilities.

Maybe I have the wrong idea that innovation and profitability go hand in hand? Or that the tech industry should be about tech?

This doesn't have anything to do with the Reserve but it's still an illustrative example: we've been here with WeWork where the business failed and yet the CEO was rewarded billions of dollars on exit. Who knows what he intends to do with that money now as a failed innovator. In hindsight maybe the reason that Adam was given such a large exit package was because of how he facilitated one of the fastest foreign asset takeovers of the last 40-50 years?

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>yet the second the sale is closed 90% of the things that the company did that made it valuable are jettisoned If it were valuable they wouldn't be jettisoned

This is taken as axiomatic by people who believe in the efficient market hypothesis, but I don't think there's much reason to believe it's true.

Even if the EMH were true, it only says "_IF_ a market is efficient, THEN all information is included in the price."

The EMH does not imply that any particular market is efficient, and if the market isn't efficient, the EMH doesn't apply.

Lots of people do appear to assume the axiom "All markets are efficient", but that is plainly incorrect.

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Phased arrays are very cool tech. Personally, I can't wait for visible-wavelength optical phased arrays to hit the mainstream (they're just now being implemented), since they'd enable tech like legitimately holographic displays and video cameras with digitally programmable optical zoom.

Microlens arrays, for all intents and purposes of consuming and recording media (for human consumption), are essentially equivalent to ideal phased array optics (while having spacing much larger than phased array usual requirements). We perceive light non-coherently, phase information is lost to our eyes; microlens arrays suffice to reproduce a light field sans phase effects[1] -- that includes the perception of most phenomena that are affected by light coherence, like oil on water or viewing laser experiments (not totally sure, but I don't think there are experiments that can't be reproduced by geometric-optical light fields that don't rely on coherent measurement?; maybe some interference phenomena though?).

There are practical problems with the technology though, as light sources we can currently make have some minimum size limitations, and incoherent optical behavior starts to degrade at very small lens size (at or below micron scale I guess).

[1] You could probably create a good approximate phased array optics with led-scale (~ 10 micron scale) coherent lasers as light sources, but again I don't see any application that's not scientific

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Phased arrays are very cool tech. Personally, I can't wait for visible-wavelength optical phased arrays to hit the mainstream (they're just now being implemented), since they'd enable tech like legitimately holographic displays and video cameras with digitally programmable optical zoom.

Wait, how does that work? You basically play around with beamforming and/or phasing at 480-750THz and light appears...?!

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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post #6

I love how industry came up with ever crazier schemes to stream content from phones and laptops to TVs. There must have been three different attempts involving WiFi alone, but this phased array mmWave 60 GHz million bucks basic research abomination surely takes the cake. Meanwhile, some Google engineer realized you could solve 90% of phone-to-TV streaming applications and 100% of the hard technical problems by just t…

You mean Apple. AirPlay was there years before google made a move in this area.

Re: A 60 GHz phased array for $10

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, preventing acquisitions reduces available exits and might discourage future innovation (which in turn might promote more trusts).

There needs to be a larger gradient of funding options than "Waste cash until unicorn" or "rent-seek until next bailout", and "dominate small-to-medium market niche" or "sponsor and penetrate next manufacturing commodity". We've seen so much wastage from the prevailing financial model in SV tech.

I don't understand. Your options are (1) be small, try to grow fast, (2) be big, (3) be small, don't try to grow fast, and I'm not sure what (4) means. What else is there?
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