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Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#72Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…
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Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#73Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…
Did the laws have protections for the current home owners? It seems perfectly reasonable to me that people would want to protect themselves if they don't have any assurances that developers won't just build ugly tower blocks. On the other hand, if people are opposing development that involves real architects developing aesthetically pleasing designs that respect the existing community, then it seems reasonable to me…
> It seems perfectly reasonable to me that people would want to protect themselves if they don't have any assurances that developers won't just build ugly tower blocks.
If developers want to build ugly tower blocks, and people would actually buy those blocks, why stop them? Just because I bought my house ten years ago doesn't give me the right to stop someone from building something "ugly". At least, it shouldn't.
It's important to remember that just because the law says, "you can now build a thing", that doesn't mean the thing will get built. First, the current property owner has to sell, and sell at a price that it makes sense to build the ugly thing. Then a developer has to want to take the risk of building the thing.
It turns out, making it legal to build things doesn't really mean they spring up instantly. It's a slow process that takes decades to play out.
In the 70s, a section of San Francisco that was zone single family only was rezoned to dual/triple/quads-allowed. Since the 70s, only a few of the single family have been torn down and replaced with quads.
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#74Pretty easy to figure out in California. High cost of living, crime is out of control, homeless taking over parts of the city. Our state government is either unwilling or unable to address these issues. So sale your overpriced property and move to a state with more sensible policies and taxes. Seems pretty reasonable.
Crime has ticked up slightly compared to the lows, but it has comparable rates to the 60s right now. Before the explosion of crime in the 70s and 80s
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#75Every person I know who's left California did it because of housing costs (except for one, who did it to get away from "the damn liberal government that wants to take my guns"). We have a major housing cost crisis in this state, as well as a big NIMBY problem. There have been good solutions run up through the state house, that either fail to pass or get so watered down they are no longer effective, in large part beca…
Did the laws have protections for the current home owners? It seems perfectly reasonable to me that people would want to protect themselves if they don't have any assurances that developers won't just build ugly tower blocks. On the other hand, if people are opposing development that involves real architects developing aesthetically pleasing designs that respect the existing community, then it seems reasonable to me…
No, it's reasonable to criticize them no matter what because they're preventing other people from having the same opportunities that they were afforded.
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#76Cost of living is real. Weather is real. Outside of a few highly nomadic ultra-high net worth types the tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial in absolute terms for most people to bother with. The idea that masses of people are moving for lower taxes seems like a rhetorical invention of the WSJ editorial page versus anything rooted in reality.
> tax advantages of moving states is just too trivial
It’s not. For a family with $85,000 a year, getting rid of state tax could mean an extra several hundred dollars a month in income.
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#77Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#78Sonoma County, CA here. We've lost more people from our county than any other in the state between 2017-2018 [1], and it is only continuing. From the few of these people I have spoken with - anecdotally: - None left because of the fire risk, specifically. [though some obviously did - 2] - Most left because of the cost of living: $600k avg home price. - Some also left because of political and human environment: We hav…
> We have fires caused by illegal cooking fires at these encampments. Be careful about tossing around this kind of rhetoric. I heard the same story about a fire in my old neighborhood in LA. It turned out that the son of the head of Chamber of Commerce started it trying to firebomb an encampment. https://ktla.com/2019/09/04/suspects-in-eagle-rock-brush-fir...
Please research the facts before posting this. The fires have been caused by people using Propane tanks with attachments to heat their flammable tents.
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#79I grew up in Central California and then lived in the Bay Area from 2001 until 2010. Had kids, and a online job, so we next moved to the Sierra Nevada foothills, where we lived for a decade.
We moved to a suburb of Houston, Texas about a year ago. Best decision ever.
In a nutshell:
Overall, quality of life has gone way up.
Taxes have gone down. Wages have gone up. Everything is cheaper, which means we all get to do more fun stuff.
On the negative side of the equation: The avocados are smaller here.
Re: Goodbye, New York, California and Illinois – Hello where?
#80To me its fascinating the growth of state's pop. TX is sucking up people so fast. NY has hardly changed in 70 years. State 1850 1900 1950 2020 NY 3 7 17 19 IL 1 4.8 8.7 13 CA .1 1.5 10.5 39 TX .2 3 8 29 FL .1 0.5 2.7 21
According to your Numbers from 1950 to 2020, Texas only went up 3.625x.
CA went up 3.71x and Florida did 7.77x.
Definitely grew compared to New york, but hardly sucking up people so fast