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DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

That looks amazing. Do you know of any write-ups on the part-time MSc from students?

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#72

Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

I'd love to hear more about this.

I've been working as a dev for 3 years and looking at senior positions; do you think this course would augment my practical experience.

I wonder what level they teach to.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#73
post #34

This looks a lot more like an apprenticeship to me than a degree. Which I think is fantastic, Universities are generally terrible at teaching practical skills and fantastic at teaching theory.

In the UK it's both, 'degree apprenticeships' were introduced recently (couple of years ago):

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

('Higher' being 'degree equivalent', and 'degree' being with an actual degree conferred by an actual university.)

At Arm I had a colleague who was on that programme, and so was also studying at a university. I think it started off part-time, 2 and 3 days of a week or something, and then switched to term-here/term-there.

I agree, great scheme. (Icing on the cake: I believe the education is paid for (subsidised by government and paid for by company?) in addition to the work being paid.)

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #19

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There are two universities involved: Carleton (Ottawa, Ontario, Canada) and York (Toronto, Ontario, Canada). You must apply and qualify for the university degree, in addition to being selected by shoppify themselves. If I remember correctly when I asked about it, the University also had some say in the selection process. When I looked into it, the number of accepted was quite low (I believe less than 15 per year), wh…

Shopify's HQ is in Ottawa, hence Carleton University. York is in suburban Toronto. Those schools are not quite in the same league as Toronto or Waterloo, but they're adequate.

> Those schools are not quite in the same league as Toronto or Waterloo, but they're adequate.

I had offers from both Carleton and Waterloo. I don't regret choosing Carleton.

I watched many friends go to Waterloo and burn out from the intense academic workload. My degree has gotten me into all the same doors, but I was able to take more electives, go on an exchange, just generally enjoy my time more.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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i am wishing i could go back 15 years and do this now. i was dumb enough to go to an ivy league for an unrelated degree, then change careers and go thru a bootcamp, and i'm now still 100's of thousands in debt. if i was growing up today i would absolutely drop everything to do this. kudos to shopify but it really feels a little bittersweet.

I don't have the amount of debt that you do but I also did a career change after some years of doing dead end jobs. I have the same feeling that I wish this was an option for me when I was looking to start university but I'm also aware I had no idea what I wanted to do with my life when I was 18. Chances are I would do these 4 years then decide I want to be a sky diving instructor or something instead.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #3

i am wishing i could go back 15 years and do this now. i was dumb enough to go to an ivy league for an unrelated degree, then change careers and go thru a bootcamp, and i'm now still 100's of thousands in debt. if i was growing up today i would absolutely drop everything to do this. kudos to shopify but it really feels a little bittersweet.

If we ignore pedigree and networking, how good (high quality material/curriculum, good lecturers) do public/affordable/free universities and colleges provide (in US)?

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#77

Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

"reasonably well known", isn't Oxford considered one of the best universities of the world?

British understatement.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#78

Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email

"reasonably well known", isn't Oxford considered one of the best universities of the world?

"Oxford's a complete dump!": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKuHYO9TM5A

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

#79
post #25

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Just never pay the debts bro. Forget that shit and let it all go, and start stacking to live a debt free stress free life.

I know you’re downvoted for saying something that’s basically unethical, but I’m interested: how do you propose to buy a home using this strategy? All cash? In my area, I’d need around $200,000 cash. I know there’s trailer parks and etc. but they may not work for everyone.

I don't think it is unethical. If people get overwhelmed by student debt because their degree doesn't actually result in job opportunities that allow them to pay that debt back then they have no obligation to pay the debt back. It was the lender's decision to invest their money into such an obviously money losing strategy and yet they did so despite the high risk. The word "undischargeable" made the lender blind but the reality is that the lender was just plain irresponsible with his money and no government guarantee can change that.

Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel

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post #69

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When you’re the first large provider of tech apprenticeships, you want apprentices to stick around after graduation. The problem is that Shopify generally can’t force employees to stay (companies hate suing over breach of contract for education subsidies). One work around is to pay a low salary during the training period. That’s exactly what Shopify is doing (160K over 4 years = 40K per year). This could be a cheap w…

I need to move to the states if 40k is a low salary for a junior over there. I started on less than that.

this program is in canada
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