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Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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this is a classic case of tyranny of the majority. Majority of Americans favor stealing wealth from others.

They're trying to recapture their economic contributions. Companies won't pay more, so they're doing it via other means. When salaries were rising such actions were not popular.

Salaries are rising now, though.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N/

Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it is a total mystery how adequately funding social welfare programs could somehow help the poor.

Benefits and welfare programs have been increasing dramatically as a percentage of GDP.

If the welfare programs are functioning correctly, any decrease in overall population wealth and/or income would naturally have to raise the welfare spend. The alternative would be for the newly poor to suffer and/or die in poverty, because only the existing poor were being assisted by the programs. Incidentally that does seem to be how much of the US safety net is designed to work and we've been actively trying to push more needy people out of the benefits programs, so that's something.

This is a feedback loop. If "spend is going up" is somehow justification for cutting welfare programs or for not funding them, how does that fix anything? The ideal would be to have more than enough funding for all your programs, then work on ideal ways to utilize the extra funding. In the end if there's a surplus you can always cut taxes on the rich again, since US lawmakers are constantly trying to do it anyway.

Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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Alternative title: Majority of Americans are not rich, and therefore see no downside to taking from those who are I do think the inequality gap is becoming more of a problem, but simply asking the population if they want someone else to pay more is going to have the obvious result.

That's pretty reductionist - it seems to me like we have many non-rich Americans who possess varying strengths of the belief that, generally, the rich rightfully earned all they've come to and in turn provide more or less proportional value to society, and that opinion informs their opinion on wealth taxes. As well, the implication that not-havers broadly can not be relied upon to express holistic or worthy opinions on their own society's rules regarding havers is ridiculous.

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It's worth noting that the income tax also started out as a tax on the very rich. Once established, taxes have a way of finding their way from the rich, to the middle-class, and then even to the working poor.

This is why the wealth tax will fail to fix inequality. Eventually your parents shitty 250k house out in the sticks will qualify for wealth tax. Whatever stocks you have that aren't in a retirement account will be wealth taxed even though half their growth is just from inflation. It's going to suck.

> shitty 250k house out in the sticks

I think you might be disconnected from what a house costs in less-than-desirable areas, but there are houses you can find within driving distances of major jobs hubs for a fraction of that price. Sure, they won't be nice, but you used the word "shitty" and implied a middle-of-nowhere locale.

When I left Pittsburgh not too long ago, you could buy a house across the river from where I worked for about $30k. Yes, it sucked and wasn't a great spot, but that's a lot cheaper than $250k and I could walk to work.

I just checked and found a shitty fixer upper (so a lot of work) in the same spot for $40k. And there are plenty of nicer houses that don't need work for under $100k, and again this is just a few minutes drive away from Pittsburgh.

Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that the income tax use to be more than 90% on the very rich...

Tax rules and deductions have changed over the years. Almost nobody paid the top rate and effective tax burdens for the rich have been more or less flat for decades: https://i.imgur.com/uWl8vsp.png

Top 1% of the population is for example your dentist... Where the situation really changed is more about the top 0.1%

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I'm skeptical that most respondents understood the questions correctly. Most people are familiar with income tax, because they know that money is removed from their paycheck every month. Many also file tax returns. A wealth tax, where a fraction of your bank balance is removed every month, is a totally alien concept to most people. If you haven't thought about it before, it can take a minute or two to wrap your head…

why have such low confidence in the intelligence of Americans? people aren't dumb, and if it was just a higher income tax it would be called such.

It tends to be selective. When the speaker agrees with survey results, then it is clearly just common sense.

Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. “Tax the rich” is all fun and games until enough voters decide the threshold for “rich” starts at approximately $120k per year and owning a house. Honestly I would not be surprised if by the time I’m ready to retire that all or part of my 401k is seized to help “solve” the (surprisingly still-present!) problem of wealth inequality.

$120k per year is a couple of orders of magnitude below any threshold thus far proposed.

So far. Remember it’s a numbers game driven by a population bomb.

Re: Majority of Americans favor wealth tax on very rich: poll

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I feel the wealth inequality issue needs to be addressed. My only problem with the wealth tax is that it takes money from the wealthy and feeds it to the government. I am having a hard time connecting how that improves the situation of the lower and middle classes.

This is not likely to actually happen, but I'd put it toward finally updating our creaky infrastructure. It would create jobs and put off the eventual reckoning of a power or water grid failure.
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