Good to see all that oil revenue being used to protect Norwegians, shame about the climate change.
Is Norway responsible for the emissions? It's the buyers who decide to burn the oil rather than use it to produce other stuff.
Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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Ive been shouted at in Germany for crossing at red light, even with no car in sight, and for how bad an example this was for children at the scene.
Rightly so. Children can't (as reliable as you) decide how safe it is in a given situation to cross.
Surely kids should limit themselves to only crossing on green (well, until they grow out of it) but I've taught my children to watch the cars first, not the lights. A green pedestrian light doesn't mean there are no stray cars running red lights or turning-but-not-yielding. It's cars that injure people, not lights, so focus should always be on cars.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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That's not different at all. Why would Norwegians be different from other humans? I can confirm that Swedes and danes do this too. And being of croatian descent I can confirm they do it there too. It's not a cultural thing, it's a human thing to be impatient. If anything it speaks of the flow of traffic. Here in Sweden you can often safely cross the street because the entire length of the street has lights that work…
It's much less common to cross against a Do Not Walk signal in countries like Singapore and Japan. I'm pretty sure they're still human.
Singapore is a good example of road crossing habits being culturally influenced. Jaywalking is unusual behaviour everywhere except the Little India district, where it appears to be compulsory ;-)
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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Yes, it counts the extraction, and export is through gas pipes, it does not pollute. Besides, extraction pollutes very little, too.
I'm sure those pipes are very efficient but burning the gas at the other end is what is killing the planet right now. My point is that Norway has a unique responsibility as a democratic nation with outsized oil revenue to take a global lead on climate change and I don't see that happening. Edit:let me say though that I am genuinely pleased Norway is investing in traffic safety as opposed to supersized aircraft carrie…
No, if not gas, it would be coal. Pollution would be magnitudes worse.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
#75HN 11 months ago: Oslo made its city center basically car-free https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19000076
its not implemented yet. there are few streets here and there with limited traffic but its far from car-free.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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Rightly so. Children can't (as reliable as you) decide how safe it is in a given situation to cross.
Child was holding the hand of the shouting Oma.
I learned to ignore them. The speed limit on the streets where children frequent are max 40 and even lower around traffic lights. Drivers should keep looking and assume neither children nor adults will follow traffic rules. You just need to learn to be defensive if you are navigating tons of steel inside a densely populated area.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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They also look at road section with abnormally high levels of accidents and are actually willing to chance road layout to more intuitive. It is a legitimate reason to change the curvature or build a bridge or additional exit in Norway "because it's difficult to drive in". It's really quite incredible, and combine that with safer cars, and you can really start to eat into traffic fatalities.
Interesting, because in some places like the UK, road infrastructure is intentionally made "difficult" as it has been proven to make drivers pay more attention and reduce accidents around those places.
This happens in Norway too. For instance lots of zebra crossings were scraped away where I live a few years back, because they argued (from accident statistics) it gave pedestrians a false sense of security.
That may be, but it also made 95% of drivers (those obeying traffic regulations) actually stop for you to cross. Obviously they don't if there's no crossing, and you have to wait ten times as long to cross safely.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
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Do you have a reference for that, out of interest? That might genuinely be the intention but I'd worry that -- depending on the kind of 'challenge' added to roads -- it might not always work out for the best.
I know this approach is used in residential areas in the Netherlands. A lot of these streets are designated as "woonerf" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_street ), which means that everything has right of way on cars (i.e. pedestrians, bikes, playing kids, whatever). The design is often (intentionally) tricky to navigate. Brick/cobble roads to make driving fast uncomfortable. Planter's narrowing/blocking half t…
Great details, thanks very much! Glad to see that this designation is widespread across a decent number of countries as well.
Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
#79Re: Oslo had 0 pedestrian, 0 cyclist, 0 children and 1 driver trafic deaths in 2019
#80One interesting observation on Oslo is that, pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them, if there's no moving traffic close by. This is totally different from, for example, Copenhagen, Stockholm and places I visited in Germany. They're like Italians of the north. That's probably why we felt at home on the streets during our stay there, as a family from Turkey. I would love to have that 0 deaths statistics…
pedestrians do cross the street when it's red for them
You have to think what pedestrian lights are for. They exist solely to improve the flow of car traffic. Pedestrian lights are in gross contrast to the rights and benefits of pedestrians. Without lights, pedestrians would always have first priority on a crosswalk. Cars would have to stop for any pedestrian crossing the street. However, drivers (of inefficient but fast automobiles) don't like waiting for a more efficient form (on the city centre scale) of traffic (i.e. pedestrians) to cross the street so pedestrian lights exist to ensure enough green time for cars so that they don't always have to stop. Thus, it is no wonder that any sensible person wouldn't cross the street on red if there are no cars coming.