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Re: Julian Assange “slowly dying” and “often sedated” in Belmarsh prison

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Post by Jon_Lowtek »

Angostura wrote: post #7

Are there any other sources on this?

The "news" part is that he had a phone call with a friend. Primary source is the friend (Vaughan Smith). It's on his Twitter: https://twitter.com/VaughanSmith/status/1210278654615474176

For the torture part, which is not news, please see The United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture: https://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?N...

Primary Source for the cited open letter https://medium.com/@doctors4assange/concerns-of-medical-doct...

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Post by mike_hock »

rapsey wrote: post #39
chmod775 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll read that as "[I'd be] surprised if Julian Assange doesn't have a [dead man's switch] in place". And indeed he does. Some time ago Wikileaks/Assange distributed an encrypted insurance file. The torrent is about 90GB: https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes2... There was actually multiple versions fo this file, each larger than the previous one. This is the most recent version afaik. It's like…

Yeah but that could also just as well be random data.

The fact that he's being poisoned to death with sedatives suggests that at least his adversaries believe so.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

bbatha wrote: post #58
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the Barton Gellman, from the Washington Post, coordinated with Ed Snowden to publish his leaks, too. Breaking the law in such a way is just not sufficient to explain why he ends up in prison.

Snowden had already exfiltrated the documents by the time he coordinated with journalists to publish them. Assange allegedly instructed Manning on how to exfiltrate the documents and directed Manning’s exfiltration process. Publishing is protected by the first amendment, stealing classified documents is not and ergo conspiracy to steal documents is not.

Manning knew how to extract the documents already, Assange attempted to help her do it more anonymously. Trying to protect your source is the duty of the press.

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

nicehat wrote: post #56
jpz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He had a fair trial for the crime of jumping bail, and has been jailed for it.

How exactly did you come to the conclusion that his trial was fair? The only coverage I've seen of the trial, which has been remarkably quiet, alleges extreme US interference: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/assange-in-c... Jullian's father is going around the world telling people how brutally corrupt this all is, and how he fears for his son's life. The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture agrees with hi…

The top link, which is the only one that addresses court proceedings, is nothing to do with his bail jumping case at all - it's about the US extradition. Just from a timeline perspective this is obvious: his conviction was back in May; this article is from October.

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Post by yk »

rbobby wrote: post #55
sp332 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not currently serving the sentence for jumping bail. Right now he is just being held waiting for a hearing.

Assange doesn't qualify for bail (he is a flight risk/certainty) so he stays in custody until the hearings are done. Made his bed and now has to lie in it.

Having him 23 h a day in solitary confinement and not allowing him to call his mom seems a bit harsh, if they are concerned that he's a flight risk.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

danabrams wrote: post #61
foldr wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He coordinated with them to publish the information, not to acquire it in the first place.

The allegations against him (and there is evidence to support this) is that he didn’t just coordinate to publish, but provided instructions and technical training to Manning on how to steal them.

This is not true. The allegations are that he attempted to crack a password on a different Windows account so that the documents would not he tied to Manning. And most of the charges against him are related to publishing.

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Post by benologist »

bbatha wrote: post #58
rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the Barton Gellman, from the Washington Post, coordinated with Ed Snowden to publish his leaks, too. Breaking the law in such a way is just not sufficient to explain why he ends up in prison.

Snowden had already exfiltrated the documents by the time he coordinated with journalists to publish them. Assange allegedly instructed Manning on how to exfiltrate the documents and directed Manning’s exfiltration process. Publishing is protected by the first amendment, stealing classified documents is not and ergo conspiracy to steal documents is not.

Assange broke US laws that he was never subject to, as an Australian living in Europe.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

rbobby wrote: post #57
sp332 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok but he was not sentenced to this.

Assange doesn't qualify for bail (he is a flight risk/certainty) so he stays in custody until the hearings are done. Made his bed and now has to lie in it.

He reported the truth. It’s an extraordinary trial this.

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Post by jp555 »

m-p-3 wrote: post #29
jacobush wrote: post #21

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I wonder if this could backfire. With the "normal" or old guard politicians, this could have been a credible threat. Nobody wanted a scandal. With the new breed, scandals are just life.

Even worse, they thrive on scandals.

Chaos is a ladder, unless you're a theorist.

To theorists chaos is destruction (of their precious models). To practitioners chaos is a ladder. Those with real Skin In the Game.

Economist vs. Trader.

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