People raised in US are more skeptical to this than those raised in other countries, because in the US, patentable treatments are generally preferred. Everything that is not patentable (or isn’t an expensive procedure like a surgery) is “alternative medicine”, even if it’s valid but isn’t profitable. Very few studies are conducted in the field of natural remedies simply because there is no money in it. Often third world countries are the ones who do more research than us in these areas.
Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease
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Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease
#72I spent some time in the Lyme disease communities after I tested positive for Lyme disease under the official two-test CDC criteria. The pop-culture version of Lyme disease discussed on the Internet has almost no resemblance to the actual medical science. There are a lot of people genuinely suffering unexplained symptoms, real pain, who are drawn into the seductive explanations of the “chronic Lyme” communities onlin…
chronic lyme disease sounds like affluenza.
wealthy people utterly bored with their life and bent on financial self destruction. maybe they are just deeply unhappy with their present and want to start anew.
they should check out john sarno's work on imaginary pain created by the subsconscious mind.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
My aunt was sure she had chronic lyme. She used a couple of years of her life fighting her physician over it. Trying to get him to accept it. Turned out it was lung cancer. When it was diagnosed correctly, it had turn metastatic and spread to most of her organs including the brain. It went really fast from there. I don't know how it could have turned out. But I'm certain that she would have had more of a chance, if s…
> But I'm certain that she would have had more of a chance, if she hadn't interpreted her symptoms through the distorted information she got online. I hesitate to post because it feels callous, but it doesn't sound like her physician did a good job either? Unless she was fighting his attempts to diagnose cancer with her own attempts to self-diagnose Lyme, it seems like neither did any good.
Your post feels callous to me too. The point of my post was that chronic lyme fearmongering made their relationship dysfunctional. Delaying proper diagnosis and treatment.
It goes without saying that a physician overlooking cancer for years isn't doing a great job - by definition. But they are not miracle workers, and it's tough to help someone working against you.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are technically right, but I find this pedantry counterproductive. When someone is simply frustrated by their lack of options to alleviate their suffering, inserting yourself solely to make sure they're using the rightest possible terminology while ignoring their actual point a) doesn't add anything of value to the discussion, unless the distinctions between any of these terms can materially advance the discussio…
The problem is that most of these people who are diagnosed by "chronic lyme" actually have CFS (according to multiple studies). So, it's unlikely that any lyme treatments will work for these patients. As for CFS, many people do fully recover from that (I have myself, for example). But going down the chronic lyme rabbit hole is unlikely to bring any kind of relief.
The initial comment was using a colloquialism. It wasn’t discussing specific outcomes or treatments for which precise terminology would have been necessary. The correction was pure pedantry.
Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As for Lyme disease: The actual infection can be treated with a standard course of antibiotics. The infection does not persist indefinitely, although some people experience long-lasting effects after the infection is gone. I don't think it's possible to make an absolute statement like this with 100% certainty given the current state of the art. Lyme is a spirochete, and there also seems to be real research suggesti…
Biofilms and persister cells are the problem with chronic Lyme disease. https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/understanding-biofilm https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6287027/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6521364/ It's pretty simple, if the disease is able to enter the form where it starts producing biofilms it can use them to evade antibiotics. A patient then must explore treatments to break…
Are there phage therapy options for persistant lyme disease? Lyme disease is caused by the pathogen Borrelia burgdorferi. A quick pubmed search ([1],[2]) turned up two papers describing phage that interact with Borrelia.
Neither discussed their suitability for phage therapy. The most recent investigated phages as a potential mechanism for horizontal gene transfer b/w Borrelia burgdorferi: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27811049
More searching led me to a page titled "Chronic Lime Disease" at the "Phage Therapy Center": https://www.phagetherapycenter.com/pii/PatientServlet?comman...
They seem to have developed phages for clinical treatment of chronic infections (perhaps biofilm mediated) of typical pathogens, and suggest that patients suffering from chronic lyme disease may actually be testing false-positive for Borrelia, and if so, may actually be suffering from chronic biofilm-mediated infection of a more common pathogen. In their words:
>>>> quote Sometimes patients who have a legitimate, or otherwise, diagnosis of Chronic Lyme Disease, fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue are actually suffering from a toxin overload that is produced by a particular strain of bacteria. By clearing the treatable bacterial infections and utilizing various techniques to help reduce the toxin loads, there can be much improvement in the patient's overall condition.
Patients who have or who have had Lyme and Lyme co-infections may have serious damage to their immune systems, making them more susceptible to infection. Chronic infections are biofilms, they are colonies of a number of bacteria that together form colonies in various parts of the body - the sinuses, urinary tract, prostate and elsewhere that are inherently more resistant to antibiotics. While in-vitro lab tests may show sensitivity to various antibacterials, such infections typically do not respond to antibiotics. Dr. Tim Lu (MIT), a professor at MIT, explains why biofilms are antibiotic resistant, and why bacteriophage therapy can be effective:
"A classic example of a patient who had a Western Blot test that detected antibodies for Borrelia bergdorferi: Laura Roberts nearly died from her "non-Lyme co-infection", due to a deadly strain of MRSA which was detected by the lab. There are other similar cases." - Dr. Tim Lu - Biofilms and Phage Therapy
To reiterate, if your infection is a biofilm containing Borrelia or any of the Lyme co-infections, phage therapy from our clinic is NOT going to help you. If the infection is caused by one of the treatable genuses (Staphylococcus spp., Streptococcus spp., Enterococcus spp., E. coli, Proteus spp., Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Salmonella spp., Shigella spp., Clostridium difficile (C.Diff), Klebsiella spp., Morganella spp. and several others) there is a good chance we can - but NO GUARANTEE. You will need to test for the presence of these treatable pathogens and even if they are cleared, sometimes symptoms will persist.
>>>>> endquote [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=%22Borrelia%22%5BM...
[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%22Borrelia%2Fvirol...
Re: Using Bee Stings to Treat Lyme Disease
#76What are the chances if I search for "apple cider vinegar" and lyme disease that a few will suggest ACV as the cure?
I don't know, but the probability that an HN article discussing a misunderstood chronic disease is 100% likely to attract at least one snarky dismissive comment such as your's.
A better use of your time might be to thank god/providence that you haven't been cursed with such a condition.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anyone in the medical profession who denies the existence of biofilms, and their capacity to harbor antibiotic resistant infections is an idiot. There's plenty of research to explain how late stage Lyme disease can evade antibiotics, and cause a longterm chronic infection. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6287027/ https://rawlsmd.com/health-articles/understanding-biofilm The science is clear that the spir…
> Oxygen and nitric oxide penetrating into the biofilm can help degrade the biofilm. I once read an article how sunlight produces nitric oxide which loosens arteries and reduces blood pressure. Will sun therapy help biofilm disorders?
Not sure.
Wouldn’t classify biofilms as a disorder, it’s how many bacterial, parasitic, and fungal infections work. It’s a mechanism for survival for these pathogens. Just because pharma companies and our corrupt medical system ignorantly ignored them doesn’t mean they haven’t been an ongoing health issue for all mammals on this planet forever basically.
Plasma EMF therapy is something I’ve tried but it requires proximity and a frequency generator tuned to specific frequencies to target biofilms. While the sun is the largest emitter of plasma available we can’t exactly tune it to a specific frequency, you get what you get depending on UV and weather conditions that day. I can tell you sun light is a disinfectant for some pathogens but for Lyme disease biofilms I can’t tell you.
Hyperbaric oxygen chambers work because they’re pressurized. The medication Alinia also has action against biofilms and cyst forms of Lyme disease although more research is needed.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's certainly true, but what other option do you have? When you have Lyme, you are an explorer in an alien landscape. Medicine has not caught up to the incidence of the disease, and people with Lyme must do something . They can't all just wait around in pain and misery for the FDA to approve a treatment.
Lyme disease is easily curable with a large course of antibiotics. Now, there can be complications that persist after the infection is cured (arthritis, cardiac issues, and - controversially - fatigue and post-treatment Lyme syndrome). But the infection itself is curable today.
The antibiotic treatment is only effective within a few weeks of getting bitten. If you are misdiagnosed and miss the treatment window, the antibiotic treatment is no longer effective.
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I've been told by a practitioner that saliva activates the kambo better than plain water, but who knows. I've been trying kambo for ulcerative colitis over the past year. My gastroenterologist is perfectly happy to have me take a variety of medications for the rest of my life , whose safety has only been studied over a six-month period. Western medicine gets the job done, it's true, but it's time to open our minds to…
Western medicine is just defined as medicine that has been through a rigorous clinical trial process that actually proves it works. Until these Eastern medicine have gone through the same process, it’s just anecdotal evidence.
The TCM treatment I am currently using is, in fact, proven to treat ulcerative colitis via a clinical trial.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lyme disease is easily curable with a large course of antibiotics. Now, there can be complications that persist after the infection is cured (arthritis, cardiac issues, and - controversially - fatigue and post-treatment Lyme syndrome). But the infection itself is curable today.
The antibiotic treatment is only effective within a few weeks of getting bitten. If you are misdiagnosed and miss the treatment window, the antibiotic treatment is no longer effective.