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Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#71

So do they keep access logs for law enforcement? If this is the same VPN as Mullvard that means they don't? Could someone clarify maybe?

It's there on the page.

"About our trusted partner

Firefox Private Network full-device protection is a VPN built by Firefox using global WireGuard servers provided by Mullvad, which has committed not to keep logs of any kind."

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#73
post #61

I thought WireGuard was not yet ready for primetime, why is it being used here? I've been wanting to stand up a VPN at work to make my life easier than SSH tunneling but I was waiting for a 1.0 release of WG.

Looking on the WireGuard site, it says that it's still a work in progress that "may contain security quirks", but they also say "already it might be regarded as the most secure, easiest to use, and simplest VPN solution in the industry." Both statements could be true, but I guess it's up to you whether or not you want to wait for a 1.0 release.

We'll change the language on the site once we're upstream in the Linux kernel. Hopefully that's around the corner.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#74

I don't understand. Their partner is Mullvad. Mullvad has servers across the entire god damn globe. Why is this US-only? Why is it US-only going into early 2020, as in, months to provide service to non-US regions in what's probably going to be a limited roll-out to "select regions"? It's not the 90s anymore. It's time to drop the US-centric crap. They're not a publisher. They're not distributing movies or TV series.

For legal and payment processing reasons most likely. May need extra time to set up for other countries.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#75

So what is the benefit of getting this through Firefox instead of Mullvad? They want my email to sign up for the waitlist, but Mullvad requires nothing. Seems like it may even be linked to your Firefox account.

If you already use Mullvad, Firefox Private Network probably won't be an improvement for you. However, this partnership would most likely benefit both Firefox and Mullvad. Firefox gets a stream of revenue (independent of Google) that would be used to finance development, and Mullvad acquires additional customers through the partnership who would otherwise not know about it.

I know that, but what I'm saying is that you lose a degree of privacy going through Mozilla.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#76

So do they keep access logs for law enforcement? If this is the same VPN as Mullvard that means they don't? Could someone clarify maybe?

If Mullvad is in the US, courts can compel Mullvad to siphon their clients' information and not disclose it despite any claims their policy makes.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#77
Perhaps Mullvad is great. I don’t know. The whole VPN industry is full of shucksters, and when Mozilla says that Mullvad has “committed” to privacy doesn’t sound like enough heft to me.

Why isn’t Mozilla running their own servers if this really is something worth getting into? They’re one of the few privacy and public good companies we have left.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's because Firefox have made their own client and they only want to offer Wireguard connections. Since Wireguard is still a bit new and buggy, they probably want to make sure it's stable and roll out in stages.

Wireguard isn't US-only in any way. Like, I literally do not understand at all. I can download a working, functional, largely stable Wireguard client on my phone or configure it on my Linux desktop without issue from outside the US. Like, US-based has no bearing on any of this. At all.

I think you might be underestimating the breadth of i18n & l10n for a brand new beta, especially for an organization that is built on not making privacy or legal missteps. They only have 1 / 6 clients ready and zero customers yet, their attention has to be split all over the place, so limiting some variables in the meantime seems like a reasonable idea.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#79
post #35

I'm way below the technical skill average on HN, so can I prevale upon someone to correct me? This is just a vpn right? My existing vpn is already putting all device traffic through its servers (though it would actually be nice to turn it off for some apps, as I can't order takeaway because everyone thinks I'm in Iceland). And its $5 a month, which is about what I already pay. Plus its not available except on windows…

You mean the NordVPN that was hacked for god knows how long, knew about it themselves for months, and both deliberately hid that information from their customers and failed to fix the issue in a reasonable timeframe? [0] With Mozilla you get someone you can hopefully trust (hopefully being the operative word). [0] https://techcrunch.com/2019/10/21/nordvpn-confirms-it-was-ha...

I'm curious about the parent's question, but consider that Mullvad is about $5 on its own anyways. It also already supports international customers and multiple platforms. So I'm not sure why you would buy it through FF and not directly from Mullvad? It just seems like a middleman with no benefits.

Re: Firefox Full-device VPN

#80
post #26

Watching Firefox sinking to essentially licensing its name like an obsolete fashion brand is sad.

It's a great idea to use Firefox like Wirecutter, as a recommendation for the best of each service type. Combine that with some thin interface over the top, like an OS, to control all the services you subscribe to with unified billing. Password leaks, manager, file sharing, bookmark sync, vpn, dns, newsfeed. Now a new person starting out on the internet doesnt need to learn about haveibeenpwned, dropbox, mullvad, clo…

> newsfeed

I must have missed this, what RSS solution have they put out?

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