I know HN likes to express themselves ina more r lightened manner but I’m just gonna rap here. Trigger warning are for pussies and betas. This has nothing to do with PTSD or mental health. Society contains an amount of weak spirited people. We cannot coddle the weak or we will fail.
Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
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Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: Do you also disagree with movie classifications (G, PG, PG-13, R, etc) being prominently published?
Have you ever actually needed to look at a movie rating to know if it was suitable for a child? No, you can just use basic reason and context.
Your response not only avoids the question, it makes guessing based on trailers and posters into "basic reason". The movie industry is filled with deceptive trailers and marketing, and just guessing at it will fail eventually if you keep trying long enough.
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
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Yes you can. You can choose to skip a particular lecture if it's covering particularly triggering topics. If the lecture is particularly important, you can approach the professor about dealing with the lecture content in a more sensitive one-on-one context, or see if the lecture is recorded such that you can watch it later when you have more mental spoons to deal with it. > it limits the teacher's options because sud…
Why is this a consent issue? Lots of intro to sociology classes do a lesson on the Nacirema, race and violence are massive components of studying mid 20th century literature, and plenty of other fields of study have lessons that are meant to convey an emotional context and not just an informational one and they do this often with surprise elements. Labeling that as traumatic and non-consensual glosses over the part w…
> And if skipping the lecture is a valid choice for learning then why does the professor need to be contacted afterwards?
Reality check: so that you distinguish yourself from the slackers who did not came, because they did not felt like going. And there are always those.
Second, it is contra argument against "will not learn something important" argument. Visit teacher during open hours to learn that important thing. In all likelyhood, there is no massive thing to catch up with. Typically these are materials that are mean to make the issue of violence and rape less academic to students - seeing bodies makes it more real then reading about bodies. It is mostly emotional impact that is avoided.
Even if emotional impact is priority, emotional impact on person we are talking about is different then emotional impact on me. The material works completely differvently way for them.
Typically, the violent material is shown to students so that they break naive bubbles of how easy it is. People we talk about knows about it more then a student after seeing it.
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
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With a peanut allergy you have it and don't eat the food. With the trigger warning what exactly? It's easy to announce something you are going to do and do it. The article addresses how pointless and possibly counterproductive that is.
With a peanut allergy you have it and don't consume the food to avoid the adverse effects. With a trigger warning you simply don't consume the content. Ideally, this is posted on the syllabus, so that the amount of time wasted arguing about this is minimized. The article doesn't really "address" anything, it just makes value statements. For example, this paragraph: > Consider a meta-analysis of 39 studies in 2007 by…
> The only difference between this and a peanut allergy is that people don't feel the need to moralize about how we're enabling peanut-avoiders like it's a bad thing.
Er, no. Most people are doing a rough calculation of frequency of real allergy to self diagnosis and quack practitioners.. Substitute another food like wheat and you get a different result. Then people start asking why perception of allergies is spreading when actual prevalence is unchanged and you get back to the proven science understanding of psychology, placebo.
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/all...
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: Do you also disagree with movie classifications (G, PG, PG-13, R, etc) being prominently published?
Have you ever actually needed to look at a movie rating to know if it was suitable for a child? No, you can just use basic reason and context.
> Have you ever actually needed to look at a movie rating to know if it was suitable for a child?
Absolutely, yes.
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
None of those things seem to be like particularly harmed by people being told in advance that violence or rape will happen. Or even knowing in advance that racism or sexism would be depicted. Knowing in advance that the n-word word appears will not make cornerstone speech different nor make Frederick Douglass book read different. Students don't have to say n-word to read it in context either? Trigger warning to class…
I agree that none of the examples I gave would lose much of their impact, but I'd argue that's also not directly tied in to the ovarching point I was trying to express (though obviously I expressed it badly or else that's where the focus would be). It's easy to point to any one example and say "Well that could still work." but the point I was trying to drive at is that this changes the dynamic of the lecture. Surpris…
It sounds kind of silly, but this was a real problem for us when my preschooler went through a phase where he only ate peanut butter sandwiches. His preschool wouldn't let us pack them in his lunch despite none of the other kids in his class actually having peanut allergies. We threw away a lot of uneaten cheese sticks and apple slices that month.
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
#77TWs are just a CYA for incriminating content. It doesn't change the fact that people won't be either knowingly or baselessly offended by something. Then again, I believe discomfort is a human experience and trying to insulate against it, runs against the human experience and life itself.
Serious question: Do you also disagree with movie classifications (G, PG, PG-13, R, etc) being prominently published?
Not really, but I do think Common Sense Media does a better job describing why a film is rated for content by providing spoiler free details of the contents. TWs are not in service of age warning, but of content appropriateness.
Re: Trigger warnings don’t help people cope with distressing material
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Training works on people; people are animals. To a certain extent, this is what therapy is: helping people train parts of their brains to behave differently.
My point wasn't about whether or not you can train people. My point is that you shouldn't, in general, think of human beings as things upon which you perform training. There may be certain contexts in which training is an acceptable thing for a person to do or have done to them, but that typically doesn't apply to normal interactions between adult human beings.
I don't think OP meant that we are expected to train other people, unless you are a licensed therapist whose job is to do so.
I believe their implication was that we can and should be training ourselves, which is something we already do every day.