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Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by rapsey »

ghaff wrote: post #21
haolez wrote: post #3

Although Stadia might fail, I see cloud gaming (i.e. streaming A/V) as a revolution for multiplayer games. We can now have all kinds of complicated physics and particle engines, since all players are known to experience the exact same “world model”. It might help a lot with anti-cheat technology as well. It’s pretty exciting!

Hardcore gamers may not like it, but it's hard to argue against the observation that the overall trend everywhere is towards hosted services. Yes, there are some limitations imposed by physics but applications requiring specific high-performance local [client] hardware are going to be increasingly niche. (As, arguably, a lot of the most hardware-intensive gaming already is in the scheme of the population as a whole.)

Context matters. For gaming the main trend is move to mobile.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by kllrnohj »

username90 wrote: post #42
darkcha0s wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you play COD with a latency of 80ms

You already do, just with different consequences. Our brains are very good at mitigating input latency since it deals with it all the time, so we adapt quickly to 80ms. Compare that to the current system where what you see on screen is not what actually happens in the game. You get used to it, but every game solves it differently and it always feels bad. So I think that a lot of players would actually prefer this kin…

> Also note that many who play for example COD does it on TV's and consoles which has hundreds of ms already without people noticing it

This is just straight up not true in the slightest. There's a reason HDMI ALLM exists, and it's not because "nobody notices hundreds of ms."

80ms is very noticeable, it's like moving around in sludge. hundreds of ms is straight up unplayable. This is no where close to what consoles & TVs are currently doing, which is closer to 50ms.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by Roritharr »

lrem wrote: post #60
itg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I hear, this is due to the promo driven culture at Google. You can good reviews/promos based on new products that get pushed to market, nobody cares about maintenance at Google.

I got my first promotion in Google for preventing a half-forgotten system from imploding.

That's actually a bad sign, as it shows how notable it is at Google when something like this is prevented... ️

Preventing Products from failing should be SOP.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by perlgeek »

dopamean wrote: post #57
tempsy wrote: post #38

What is going on with Google? I used to think Google had the best product team in the world. In some ways I thought they defined what modern product management is/was. Now I have no clue what they are thinking with their product launches as of late. All of their products (and marketing) invoke this conservative, risk-adverse blandness that tries to appeal to everyone and in turn appeals to no one.

Maybe I'm crazy but I've never thought google had a good product team. Has there ever been a coherent vision for their collection of products? Edit: just to be clear. I'm not saying google doesnt have good products. I use and enjoy lots of them but for a long time it has seemed like even google isn't sure how all their products fit together. Perhaps that leads to weird forays into territories that don't fit which the…

I think good had (and maybe still) good product teams. For example I'm regularly amazed at small features in Maps that make my life easier.

What's missing is the company-level portfolio management.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by _ph_ »

bandrami wrote: post #31
darkcha0s wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you play COD with a latency of 80ms

You kids today. We would play Quake over a serial line back in the day. Uphill both ways. And we liked it.

When playing Quake over the net, the connection only has to synchronize the players positions etc. And Quake was pretty clever extrapolating the players motions, so even when packets were slow, they seemed to behave naturally. This frequently caused them to jump, when the positions were updated by real data.

With Stadia, the whole gaming graphics are streamed to your local client, so when the network is slow, the graphics will lag. And of course, it takes magnitudes more of data to transmit.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by ghaff »

JohnFen wrote: post #65
ghaff wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hardcore gamers may not like it, but it's hard to argue against the observation that the overall trend everywhere is towards hosted services. Yes, there are some limitations imposed by physics but applications requiring specific high-performance local [client] hardware are going to be increasingly niche. (As, arguably, a lot of the most hardware-intensive gaming already is in the scheme of the population as a whole.)

> Hardcore gamers may not like it I'm not a hardcore gamer -- I think hardcore gamers would call me a "casual gamer". But Stadia is not interesting to me at all. It offers tons of important limitations, and brings no actual benefit that I can see.

I'm a very casual gamer and have no particular opinion about Stadia in its current form. And am perfectly willing to believe that it's pre-1.0 in its current form. But it's the direction things are headed.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by ryanmercer »

roland35 wrote: post #14

This makes me shed a solitary tear for Google Reader :'( And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

>And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

To be fair, Gmail has been my primary email since early 2009 and I'd never even heard of Inbox until people on Leo Laporte's podcast started whining it was going away.

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by robbrown451 »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #69
robbrown451 wrote: post #51

Sorry, but pet peeve. Shutdown is not a verb. (should be "shut down") http://notaverb.com/shutdown

Sure it is. And I'd rather take it from Merriam-Webster than someone's belabored "notaverb.com" hobby horse. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shutdown First known use of shut down as verb: 1779. If your issue is merely with the lack of a space, then it just seems petty to me, like getting technical about raincoat vs rain coat.

Webster agrees with me, it should be two words, not a single word. That was my point (and is the point of the "notaverb" site).

Re: When will Google shut down Stadia?

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Post by fatnoah »

irrational wrote: post #4

Honestly, as soon as Google announces a new product, my first thought is to wonder how long until it is shut down. Google has completely lost my trust in relying on any of their products. Even when they come out and claim that this product will not be cancelled, for reals this time, pinky promise, etc. I simply can't believe them.

>Honestly, as soon as Google announces a new product, my first thought is to wonder how long until it is shut down

Same here. I hesitate to invest any time or money in something they make until it's been around and looks like it's going to stick around.

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