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Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by gorgoiler »

koonsolo wrote: post #69
gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

1) You are reading something that isn't there. In the same sense "be a good boy" could be used if she was male. Maybe I'm too old for this bullshit, but what is the problem of men being men, and women being women? Do we need to avoid genders everywhere now? Give me a break. 2) What does her net worth have to do with this? She is an artist that wants to perform the songs that she wrote. Was she allowed to complain if…

It will be a while yet before two tyrannical men telling a little girl to shut up will fail to engender an emotive response.

I’m not a fan of identity politics, and I’m tired of the bullshit as well, which is precisely why I called it out for being weaponized in what seems like an otherwise perfectly banal bun fight between two groups of corporate intellectual property lawyers.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by gorgoiler »

unreal37 wrote: post #42
gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

I'm sure Scooter Braun, who's likely got a net worth more than Taylor Swift, is going to be OK. He can take care of himself and doesn't need you to defend him. Nobody is bullying anybody here.

I honestly don’t particularly care for either party — neither Swift nor her former managers.

I just don’t want to find my niece writing hate mail because Taylor Swift asked her to. To that extent, it’s not the bullying or the bullied that I worry about, it’s the normalization of bullying as a behavior.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by gorgoiler »

solipsism wrote: post #67
gorgoiler wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for responding to my comment. I should be clearer that I think her message is weak specifically on a moral basis. That’s a bad thing because it is pretty damaging behavior to see coming from someone with so much influence over young people. As a piece of PR though, you are absolutely right. There’s nothing weak at all in this message. Attempting to mobilize millions of fans like this is a nuclear option not on…

also an apt analogy in terms of the morality of whether such power should be used at all. (Said with all due respect to the victims of actual nuclear weapons.) Ignoring the respect part, I don't see the analogy. No civilians are going to suffer here. She's attacking record execs. Bloodsuckers. No one's going to shed a tear.

Society as a whole suffers when our leading society members, particularly our children’s cultural leaders, act like ass hats.

There’s potentially a moral justification for rousing up mob justice if you are marginalized to the point of having no other way of making your voice heard, but Taylor Swift is literally the opposite of someone whose voice isn’t heard.

She should go fight it in court. Leave the teenage fan club out of it.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by gorgoiler »

mathieuh wrote: post #24
gorgoiler wrote: post #12

I think there are two things that weaken Swift’s message here: 1/ There’s no need to call out gender — “be a good little girl and shut up”, referring to “these men”, etc. Not during 2019’s entertainment industry harassment crisis. This is an intellectual property rights issue but it feels like Swift is trying to nudge it in another direction, unfairly. 2/ When your net worth is measured in the hundreds of millions of…

We don’t know any context, she may have been on the receiving end of sexism and she hardly said anything egregious

That’s true. This could be Swift’s first steps in revealing sexism’s impact on her career.

If that’s the case though, alluding to it as part of an IP rights battle seems an odd way to go about it. One would think that 2019 is the most receptive time in history for figures like Taylor Swift to come forward with explicit allegations of sexism.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by Gibbon1 »

cyberferret wrote: post #40
xwowsersx wrote: post #6

Can someone explain the background here? I only have a vague idea of how the music industry works. I don't understand what's going on here.

I was surprised to learn recently (my son is just beginning his career in the music industry) that a lot of artists out there don't own the legal rights to their own music once they sign with a label. It is I guess similar to the case where you might get hired as a programmer for XYZ Corp, and while there you use their resources and facilities to create an Uber or AirBnB app which goes on to make billions for the com…

Short interview with The Legendary King of Surf Guitar about the record industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AJxc3Lxn4o

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by GoodJokes »

ggm wrote: post #4

(not a tay tay fan. not actually listening to much music these days, I can't quite get Bach and Beefheart out of my head) Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the…

Um, she was most definitely has been paid fuck you money. Unless you think her amount of wealth is uh normal and then I would say check your privilege

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

nordsieck wrote: post #53
ggm wrote: post #4

(not a tay tay fan. not actually listening to much music these days, I can't quite get Bach and Beefheart out of my head) Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the…

> Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the contract says" If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the firs…

> If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the first place.

Bullshit. We are perfectly fine accepting all sorts of contact limitations in other areas. How many times have I heard on this site that people wish all states were like California in making non-competes unenforceable. And yet engineers still manage to get hired there.

I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to amend performance contract law to state that artists who actually wrote songs should always be allowed to perform them, even if someone else owns the "rights". Heck, even put in some reasonable royalty payment that the "rights owner" must be paid if the original performer performs her songs, but don't allow an outright ban on performing them.

The "rights owners" would still have full control over ability to use that music in other areas, and by other artists, commercials, political rallies, etc.

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Post by mcphage »

nordsieck wrote: post #53
ggm wrote: post #4

(not a tay tay fan. not actually listening to much music these days, I can't quite get Bach and Beefheart out of my head) Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the…

> Normally I'm a "the contract sets the limits" person but in artist's rights, an given the extent to which artists are both young, and exploited, and wind up in legally dubious relationships which then magify out and up, I think the intent should be "what's the right thing here, no matter what the contract says" If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the firs…

> If young artists cannot sign away their rights to the songs they create they won't get funded in the first place.

Of course they will, because there will still be plenty of money in it. They've made quite a bit of money off of Swift already.

Re: Taylor Swift: Don’t know what else to do

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Post by mcphage »

0xfffafaCrash wrote: post #10
xwowsersx wrote: post #6

Can someone explain the background here? I only have a vague idea of how the music industry works. I don't understand what's going on here.

Taylor Swift signed a deal with a record label instead of being an independent artist because it seemed (and possibly was) advantageous at the time and now that she is rich and famous and doesn't need the label, she no longer wants to hold up her side of the deal (giving the label certain rights to her earlier music for a certain period of time) and so now she is playing victim to get her fans to pressure the label i…

> and so now she is playing victim to get her fans to pressure the label into giving her more generous rights to the music she signed to them.

Also known as "trying to renegotiate her contract".

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