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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by Bombthecat »

andrewtbham wrote: post #42
radicalbyte wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talent. It's why you see clustering of industries.

"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector." https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-f... Germany is the home of Mercedes, BMW, and VW (which owns Porsche and Audi and is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world). Their economy is very dependent on the auto industry. They are also…

Well, but Berlin can't grow anymore... Building new apartments and houses basically cut in half because the rent control law.. To no one's surprise.. If telsa cant find the talent in Berlin. They will be out of lick because no one can't or want to move to Berlin...

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by iagovar »

andrewtbham wrote: post #42
radicalbyte wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talent. It's why you see clustering of industries.

"Several years ago, Chancellor Angela Merkel said the one in every seven jobs in Germany were "directly or indirectly" linked to the [automotive] sector." https://www.thelocal.de/20150924/what-the-vw-scandal-means-f... Germany is the home of Mercedes, BMW, and VW (which owns Porsche and Audi and is one of the largest car manufacturers in the world). Their economy is very dependent on the auto industry. They are also…

Note: Kuka is basically chinese now, even moved operations to china.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by dmix »

jayalpha wrote: post #67
propercoil wrote: post #24

Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

I don't understand your post at all. "so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's." Who is "stifling"? And many companies work on autonomous cars. "This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations" What AI regulations in Europe? And what is Europe? The EU? "and basically removed Customs tax" This is not how custom taxes work. The EU is one of the biggest free tra…

Germany and EU very obviously have a policy preference to any large auto-companies that both operate and sell there.

It’s not going to be written down on paper but there’s plenty of evidence to support it through their history of actions. And Germany has the largest influence on the EU economy wise having the largest GDP by far.

Completely dropping customs tax because a foreign company factory opened there is a bit much though.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pilsetnieks »

wirrbel wrote: post #53
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #29

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Except that most automotive talent is clustered in the south of Germany (greater Stuttgart and greater Munich), not in Berlin. If you do a quick job search, those places have the most jobs in Auto and also the highest wages.

Wolfsburg ist 200km away from Berlin. Cologne has Ford, Hesse has Opel and continental, although the center of gravity is in the south, it's not like the industry doesn't have a certain spread throughout the country.

In America, 200 years are a long time; in Europe 200 km is a long distance.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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dragontamer wrote: post #61
mantap wrote: post #54

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Cars are high-price, low-volume goods, and Tesla loves automating their factories. If you're making a car you don't want low regulation, you want highly qualified labor, and stable and predictable regulation.

I know that's how Elon Musk sells his factories. But in reality, people are moving around boxes with their bare hands and getting their fingers crushed. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1... > Lane Dillon, an engineering student, lost the tip of his finger in a workplace accident at the Tesla Gigafactory that was never reported to OSHA.

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pantalaimon »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #47
gerbal wrote: post #38

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Berlin has a very large tech industry, a lower cost of living, and lower wages.

Depends how you want to use the word tech . For the US it usually means some successful SV FAANG type software company. For Germany it's usually some successful hardware engineering company (Siemens, Bosch, Mercedes, Arri, Infineon, Continental etc.). Those companies can afford to pay the equivalent of FAANG wages in Germany albeit at a smaller scale. Southern Germany has more experience and talent in the latter whil…

Berlin definitely also has a hardware engineering/embedded software scene. It's just that there is no single big company (or cluster of big companies) that dominates the market, but rather smaller shops that mostly do contract work or have some specialised product.

There is also a steady supply of students from that branch of tech - AFAIK AutoNOMOS Lab still exists and there are multiple universities in town that over computer science focused on embedded systems.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by erikpukinskis »

dragontamer wrote: post #61
mantap wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cars are high-price, low-volume goods, and Tesla loves automating their factories. If you're making a car you don't want low regulation, you want highly qualified labor, and stable and predictable regulation.

I know that's how Elon Musk sells his factories. But in reality, people are moving around boxes with their bare hands and getting their fingers crushed. https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1... > Lane Dillon, an engineering student, lost the tip of his finger in a workplace accident at the Tesla Gigafactory that was never reported to OSHA.

Whenever I’ve looked into the news reports on Tesla worker safety, it always is just a handful of scattered reports, largely unadjudicated.

Do you have any reason to think there’s a pattern there? Or are you just using that language for effect?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pantalaimon »

danhak wrote: post #18
Koremat6666 wrote: post #10

Why should a GIGA factory be located near the airport and in a city ? A factory meant to mass produce something should be somewhere the land is cheap should not it be ?

The area immediately around major airports is usually not terribly desirable. I don’t know about Berlin, specifically. Also it has to be close enough to the city to make commuting from the population center reasonable, no?

The new train line to the airport is scheduled to open in 2025, then it should only take 20 minutes there from the city centre.
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