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Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by Barrin92 »

EpicEng wrote: post #31
alecb wrote: post #18

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Ah yes, "school choice", a nice rebranding effort for privatizing another industry so Betsy Devos and other aspiring oligarchs can destroy a public good for their profit.

Tell that to the kids going to schools with massive gang problems. Even if they want to succeed it's a constant battle. My wife teaches at one of these schools and she has no problem understanding why kids would want out.

the correct response would be to one 1. fight the gang problems 2. stop tying school funding to localities which perpetuates poor districts being poor and underfunded.

Clearly the solution can't be privatized 'school choice' because the people who need it the most will probably not be able to afford it, and it segregates society further, giving everyone even less stake in repairing their communities. It's a self-defeating cycle.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

EpicEng wrote: post #70
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #62

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If they care about the quality of education then they should take steps to ensure that public education is higher quality. Perhaps starting by not voting for people who want to dismantle it.

Right, except they have children already and things need to change very quickly to benefit them, and most of us just don't have the time or energy. It's not reasonable to expect everyone to crusade for reform. I want what's best for my kids now , and if that's a charter school, that's what I'm aiming for.

And it's that kind of short-term thinking that creates a lot of the world's problems in the first place.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by EpicEng »

Barrin92 wrote: post #71
EpicEng wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to the kids going to schools with massive gang problems. Even if they want to succeed it's a constant battle. My wife teaches at one of these schools and she has no problem understanding why kids would want out.

the correct response would be to one 1. fight the gang problems 2. stop tying school funding to localities which perpetuates poor districts being poor and underfunded. Clearly the solution can't be privatized 'school choice' because the people who need it the most will probably not be able to afford it, and it segregates society further, giving everyone even less stake in repairing their communities. It's a self-defe…

But it's not happening, so it's not reasonable to expect these voters to rely on hope while their kids are suffering.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by EpicEng »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #72
EpicEng wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, except they have children already and things need to change very quickly to benefit them, and most of us just don't have the time or energy. It's not reasonable to expect everyone to crusade for reform. I want what's best for my kids now , and if that's a charter school, that's what I'm aiming for.

And it's that kind of short-term thinking that creates a lot of the world's problems in the first place.

Please. It's been decades, not months. These problems are still here. Voters are supposed to just hope it gets better instead of doing what's best for their children?

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

EpicEng wrote: post #74
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's that kind of short-term thinking that creates a lot of the world's problems in the first place.

Please. It's been decades, not months. These problems are still here. Voters are supposed to just hope it gets better instead of doing what's best for their children?

These problems are here because we keep electing people who's goal is to dismantle public infrastructure. We keep doing that because of the same narrow thinking that causes us to throw everyone else's children under the bus for the sake of our own.

We've inherited the world we deserve. If we want to make it better, we have to earn it. If you don't want to do that, fine, but then you don't get to complain about the results.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by EpicEng »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #75
EpicEng wrote: post #74

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Please. It's been decades, not months. These problems are still here. Voters are supposed to just hope it gets better instead of doing what's best for their children?

These problems are here because we keep electing people who's goal is to dismantle public infrastructure. We keep doing that because of the same narrow thinking that causes us to throw everyone else's children under the bus for the sake of our own. We've inherited the world we deserve. If we want to make it better, we have to earn it. If you don't want to do that, fine, but then you don't get to complain about the re…

I don't necessarily agree with your premise, but I don't think it matters.

Who's "we" here? The people putting the politicians you're talking about into office are not likely the people who would benefit most by sending their children to charter schools. So what is that person supposed to do?

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by drharby »

dang wrote: post #46
drharby wrote: post #19

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Mods - can we do something about the obvious political astroturfing? Every comment critical of GP here is dimming due to vapid down votes and it is discouraging and disappointing to see.

I'm afraid both this comment and its parent break the site guidelines that ask you not to make insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, etc., in HN comments. Internet users are much too quick to do that, and it poisons discussion. There's no evidence that the GP comment was in bad faith, and most of the downvoted comments I've seen here broke the site guidelines, so we needn't look for more menacing reasons. https:…

So to clarify, so long as one has plausible deniability in spreading political opinion, there is a punishable offense for asking for clarification (as i have done in this ggp, your gp comment) as a means to get to the meat of the root claim?

This is in my opinion poisoning of any discussion.

I'll admit, my gp your p comment does in fact jmp the gun, but my original comment was thought out.

It is, again, discouraging and I as a desiring participant find it harder and harder to engage in these topics on this forum.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by drharby »

dang wrote: post #46
drharby wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mods - can we do something about the obvious political astroturfing? Every comment critical of GP here is dimming due to vapid down votes and it is discouraging and disappointing to see.

I'm afraid both this comment and its parent break the site guidelines that ask you not to make insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, etc., in HN comments. Internet users are much too quick to do that, and it poisons discussion. There's no evidence that the GP comment was in bad faith, and most of the downvoted comments I've seen here broke the site guidelines, so we needn't look for more menacing reasons. https:…

Follow on

>Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That destroys intellectual curiosity, the value of the site.

I stand by my ground in original [now flagged] comment that my request for more clarification was a valid request.

If my claim of political shilling is against the standard, i expect to see political opinion be recognized and classified as rule breaking or the conversation entertained.

It is an application of a double standard that is poisoning to see here.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

EpicEng wrote: post #76
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These problems are here because we keep electing people who's goal is to dismantle public infrastructure. We keep doing that because of the same narrow thinking that causes us to throw everyone else's children under the bus for the sake of our own. We've inherited the world we deserve. If we want to make it better, we have to earn it. If you don't want to do that, fine, but then you don't get to complain about the re…

I don't necessarily agree with your premise, but I don't think it matters. Who's "we" here? The people putting the politicians you're talking about into office are not likely the people who would benefit most by sending their children to charter schools. So what is that person supposed to do?

> Who's "we" here?

Everyone, generally speaking. It isn't like the kinds of anti-public-service politicians I'm talking about only ever get votes from the 1%, or even just the 50%.

Re: Facebook head of news cofounded site critical of Elizabeth Warren

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Post by SN76477 »

gadders wrote: post #58
SN76477 wrote: post #50

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As someone else said "I think it's plausible to be told something about your heritage and not question it"

Agreed, but if I was running for office or using it on official forms I would want to be a bit more certain.

That is a good point of view to have.
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