Apple has actually brought useable scrollbars to iOS devices for the first time in iOS 13.
Which would be funny as from what I recall, to answer the headline, Apple led the pack in removing scrollbars, from OSX back in about 2011.
Who Killed the Scrollbar?
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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#72Horizontal space on mobile is very, very scarce. And designers hate when stuff wraps. And scrollbars take horizontal space.
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#73> 2. No flipping way to quickly navigate to the top or bottom of the post. I don't know what the state of this is on Android, but iOS 13 lets you grab the scrollbar and go immediately to wherever you want in a document. The scrollbar doesn't show up by default, so it's a 2-step operation. Scroll a bit to make the scroll indicator appear, then grab it and scroll faster. Works well but I doubt many people are aware of…
On iOS, you can tap the top of the address bar to scroll to the top (I think since iOS 3.0 or so). This became 2 taps when they started hiding the address bar (one to show it, and another to invoke the "back to top" feature).
In Chrome (and probably other browsers), you can use CMD+Up to jump to the top and CMD+Down to jump to the bottom.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#74The same people who killed folders "because tags". Don't get me wrong, I love tags, but why on earth can't we have BOTH???? I don't always remember what I tagged something with, and searching through 8 years of work to find something is useless.
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#75The same people who killed folders "because tags". Don't get me wrong, I love tags, but why on earth can't we have BOTH???? I don't always remember what I tagged something with, and searching through 8 years of work to find something is useless.
Err isn’t this a problem remembering your file hierarchy as well? Search is the answer in both scenarios.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#76Pretty brave for posting on a site that breaks the back button.
And doesn't have a constant scroll bar
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#77Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…
I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.
Hamburgers and Heiroglyphs, GUI of the future!
At least Dropbox hasn't gone full in on the Heiroglyph side of the fad, they still have text labels for buttons, so you can understand what they do by looking at them and reading them.
Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?
#78Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…
I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.
Man that page is garbage.
With JavaScript disabled, you get a big white page of nothing. Not to mention the full screen menu as was mentioned.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is absolutely terrifying thinking. You seem to believe that readers are passive consumers of a stream, and should not have agency in their consumption of said streams.
You got me. Readers "should not have agency in their consumption of said streams." Clearly that was the point of my question posing the alternative. You nailed it.
What I nailed is the idea of back-pressure. Removing the consumer's ability to use back-pressure mechanisms against excessive stream provision is an anti-pattern.
Providers who want to maximize "engagement" do not care.
This is known as "spam".
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#80Scroll bars and top menus! One factor was the removal from the market of anything but 16:9 displays which sucks as well. I want my workstation UI back and to return the fischer-price bullshit on every OS. Windows and gnome are the worst, every thing they do in the name of progress makes computers harder to use.
I miss the simplicity of Windows 2000/XP classic, been downhill from there. Ubuntu Mate is good but is suffering from the encroachment of gnome also.
Also took 15 years for dark themes to become allowed again due to loss of theming functionality.