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Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by thewholeview »

I'm glad to see this article rising on HN amidst the entire narrative on HK that's sprouting around the internet these days. It has finally allowing time for our minds to take a break and rationalize and see how much the propaganda has been swaying us all.

As a Chinese, I've personally been following Chinese forums and continue to see individuals that rationalize the behavior of the West and to try to put down flames that's only in the name of nationalistic pride, albeit few still. But it's an important theme, only if both side can put behind their bias can there be a better and more peaceful ending in the China-US conflict to bring benefit to us all. There are many intelligent and rational Americans, it's a sad story for Iraq and we wish them best, but at least the news is helpful in helping us collectively realize what the media has been doing to our brains.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by flyGuyOnTheSly »

mlang23 wrote: post #67
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have hundreds of products in my house that say "Made in Hong Kong". I don't have a single product in my house that says "Made in Iraq". It's not strange that North America doesn't care much about Iraqi plight, as we have next to no relationship with them or their people. Same as we all cannot afford to cry over every single other person's mother and father passing away, but we cry over our own parents passing.

Your people invaded Iraq just 15 years ago. No matter what you say, I believe you have a rather large obligation when it comes to Iraq. It is easy to forget history, right?

I am a polish immigrant living in Canada. "My people" didn't do anything to Iraq.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by jeswin »

ejstronge wrote: post #68
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President. https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri... The world did not care.

> Remember that Pakistan is still an Islamic republic and recently blocked a bill that will allow non Muslims to become PM or President. > https://www.news18.com/news/world/pak-parliament-blocks-chri... . > The world did not care. I don't really see the equivalence between India and Pakistan's actions. Also, I'm not up-to-date on Indian politics, but how many non-Hindu leaders have been elected to top positions?

Indian Prime-Ministership was held by Dr.Manmohan Singh (a Sikh) between 2004-14, which has been the longest tenure in recent times. The President's position is mostly ceremonial, but by far the most popular occupant has been Dr.Abdul Kalam, a Muslim scientist.

It's true though that Hinduism is far stronger today as a political force than it has ever been. And just as everywhere else, mixing religion with politics is not a good idea.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by mikorym »

euix wrote: post #52
bjourne wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing is happening in Gaza where over 200 civilians have been killed in the March of Return demonstrations over the last year. Our Western media reporting is insanely narrow and single-minded. One can only hope that, since we are outraged about the HK situation (as we should be!), it follows that we should be outraged about other worse situations too.

In eastern political systems such as China and Russia, the prevailing sentiment among the masses is cynicism. In democratic systems it is hypocrisy. Pick your poison.

The one where you have the means of living together with self-determination.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by freeflight »

thewholeview wrote: post #70
Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it logical (or at least understandable) to care more about the people who share the same cultural values and historical bagage than about other cultures which are harder to understand and relate to? Why should people care equally much about every single culture on earth, regardless of how much it relates to their own situation and life?

The problem that us Chinese see is the level of hypocrisy at play here. The narrative on the entire HK suppose is in the name of freedom and evil of China and thus democracy must be the solution. Iraq has been "liberated" with democracy and yet the outcry is not an issue. I make no judgment on the merits of democracy, but if the West continues to play the propaganda narrative behind a fear of threat it is hard to jus…

It's also hard to miss for most people outside the US because a whole lot of them are still very directly affected by the consequences of this whole "crusade on terror" [0] going on to this day.

In that context, there is quite some massive cynicism at play when the US celebrates itself for denying Chinese officials visa over the treatment of Muslims in Xinjiang, when the US also refused visa to ICC officials wanting to investigate the treatment of Muslims in "NATO occupied" Afghanistan [1].

Particularly in the context that the US was quite on-board with the "Uighur Jihadis!" narrative not too long ago [2].

[0] https://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/15/mike-pompeo-...

[2] https://www.voanews.com/extremism-watch/analysts-uighur-jiha...

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by not_a_cop75 »

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

It's a billionaire controlled media empire. You want them to suddenly care about something other than money? I think you chose the wrong media to follow.

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Post by vkou »

bjourne wrote: post #15
emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

Same thing is happening in Gaza where over 200 civilians have been killed in the March of Return demonstrations over the last year. Our Western media reporting is insanely narrow and single-minded. One can only hope that, since we are outraged about the HK situation (as we should be!), it follows that we should be outraged about other worse situations too.

Never happened, never will happen. You have thousands of gallons of e-ink spilled over police brutality in HK, a few drops on Iraq, and humm-hawws and 'well, they are all terrorists anyways' on Gaza.

Otherwise intelligent people are incapable of understanding that their outrage is being directed to serve geo-political ends. Antagonising China is patriotic. Antagonising Israel serves no end, and is, also of course, anti-Semitic.

The truly ironic bit is when presented with the idea that many mainlanders may be more supportive of their government than of HK, they dismiss it as brainwashing, compelled speech, or just flat out propaganda. As if we arrive to the contradictory conclusions we hold independently, and from first principles, without any steering...

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by trenning »

emptyfile wrote: post #8

2019-10-09 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/iraq-protests-latest-... >At least 110 people have been killed and more than 6,000 wounded in Baghdad and in the south, since security forces started cracking down on demonstrators. And the whole world is "outraged" about HK. Here on this thread the other posters are making jokes. If they killed every single person in the country no one would give a shit. Same way no…

You yourself neglect to acknowledge there's also civil war kicking off in Ecuador right now.

People outside conflict areas only start to give a shit when it affects something they care about personally.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by nickik »

htfu wrote: post #24
mc32 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a conflict zone like east Ukraine/Crimea. Hundreds (thousands?) died, but it’s a conflict zone. People have different expectations about that. Especially when the protests were peaceful for months and years...

It's not actually a conflict zone.

Crimea might not have been much of a conflict zone but Eastern Ukraine was.

Re: Iraq introduces nightly internet curfew

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Post by lolsal »

aaronmdjones wrote: post #30
Y_Y wrote: post #9

Obviously this is wrong and tyrannical etc. I can't help wondering though if this may have unexpected benefits for e.g.: sleep quality, civility in online discussions, exercise. It's hardly intended that way, but could end up being a net benefit for the well-being of citizens, particularly if it were implemented in a highly-developed country like the US.

When you're talking about the Internet, the US is far from a highly-developed country.

Can you elaborate?
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