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Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by jaclaz » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:57 AM UTC

thisone wrote: post #61

telesilla wrote: post #16

What the author called a 'rumpy' cat is the colloquial term used on the island, along with 'stubbin'. Otherwise the cat is called outside of the island, not surprisingly, a Manx cat. I've seen them scattered around the commonwealth as beloved pets, various tail sizes but probably sadly mutilated for cat shows for a more perfect rump. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manx_cat

if you've seen tailess cats in the UK (I know you refer to the wider commonwealth), they would not be mutilated, at least legally, like that. tail docking, ear docking, declawing, descenting (of ferrets), is illegal unless for the health of the animal or for a few working breeds where the dog is a working dog. (England and Wales do have some different laws on this than Scotland and NI)

And there is an European Convention:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20506954

Though I believe that it wasn't actually signed/ratified by the UK:

https://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventio...

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by rorykoehler » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 9:58 AM UTC

throwaway925 wrote: post #65

peteretep wrote: post #15

Isle of Man has zero percent corporate tax on (most) money earned outside the Isle of Man, which includes money earned in the UK. If you're a non-resident citizen of the UK, you can deposit your dividends from your Isle of Man company in your UK bank account, tax free. For the time being, IOM companies have GB VAT numbers, and a banking system that integrates seamlessly with the UK one, as well as a postal system (qu…

£30.000 is already too high considering that the taxpayer has earned every penny and doesn't owe anything to anyone

I guess the tax payer will be happy not to use any of the infrastructure and services their tax money pays for if they don't pay taxes?

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by rorykoehler » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:02 AM UTC

easytiger wrote: post #42

SamReidHughes wrote: post #7

You could tell, because there's no way their motorcycle race would be allowed in the UK. I was halfexpecting this article to tell us they still used pre-decimalized currency.

A similar race is held in NI https://www.northwest200.org/the-history-of-the-nw200/

There are loads of these road races in UK & Ireland (also in mainland Europe). It's a full calendar.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by JamesSchriver » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:06 AM UTC

pavlov wrote: post #59

peteretep wrote: post #15

Isle of Man has zero percent corporate tax on (most) money earned outside the Isle of Man, which includes money earned in the UK. If you're a non-resident citizen of the UK, you can deposit your dividends from your Isle of Man company in your UK bank account, tax free. For the time being, IOM companies have GB VAT numbers, and a banking system that integrates seamlessly with the UK one, as well as a postal system (qu…

After living in the UK for a year and encountering this tax system firsthand, I'm convinced that one of the main reasons for Brexit is that rich people in England are worried that EU tax harmonization could one day take away their sweet loopholes and convenient neighborhood tax havens. I've personally benefitted from the system as a "resident non-domiciled" foreign citizen. But on the whole it's not fair to British t…

Your perspective is utterly befuddling. You think it’s not fair, yet nothing at all stops you from paying more taxes to make your contribution a fair one instead of benefitting from the “loopholes”. The only thing that is not fair is the tax enslavement of people who cannot manage to free themselves of that enslavement; not, in the twisted perspective you share with so many, that it is unfair that not more people are subjected to proportional and ever increasing enslavement by taxation.

Your perspective is simply not a healthy or logical one. The solution to the majority of people not being free, is not to take the freedom from more people, it is to make more people free of proportional enslavement by taxes.

I know you will surely feel compelled to rebut with something akin to “taxation is for the common good”, but not only is that all just codependent subjugation that is common to people who defer to abusers, but nothing is more “common good” than for people to keep the fruits of their work and labor instead of it being stolen to fund the lifestyles of the rich and any number of people they want to squander other people’s money on to curry personal advantages.

Taxation is slavery “pivoted”, rebranded, redesigned, relaunched, reimagined. Never were people as taxed and robbed as the middle class are today in the west. They pay immense tax on their work, then they pay tax on spending that taxed money, then they pay tax on the things they were taxed to buy with taxed money they earned, then they pay tax on money they saved, and they pay tax on using money that was taxed to earn it when they buy gasoline to get to work where they will be taxed on the money they earn to pay for necessities to go to their taxed job.

The amount of compounded and nested taxation of the middle class in particular is utterly immoral, depraved, and evil.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by ximeng » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:08 AM UTC

throwaway925 wrote: post #65

peteretep wrote: post #15

Isle of Man has zero percent corporate tax on (most) money earned outside the Isle of Man, which includes money earned in the UK. If you're a non-resident citizen of the UK, you can deposit your dividends from your Isle of Man company in your UK bank account, tax free. For the time being, IOM companies have GB VAT numbers, and a banking system that integrates seamlessly with the UK one, as well as a postal system (qu…

£30.000 is already too high considering that the taxpayer has earned every penny and doesn't owe anything to anyone

The concept of “owing” money to people comes in part from the consequences if they are not paid, including use of force. The concept of a country is in large part due to the area in which force can be applied to ensure people pay taxes, in return for services including security.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by twic » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:09 AM UTC

smcl wrote: post #27

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #21

"And speaking of finance, the island has no capital gains tax, stamp duty or inheritance tax, making it an enticing prospect for many." This one sentence sums up why the Isle of Man exists the way it does. What a puff piece. Britain/UK/whatever are full of these little places to hide your money. That's all this is. Yet another crowny thing that allows the rich to avoid paying their due in an undemocratic society.

Yep there's plenty of fun little offshore places if you're so inclined. However we also have an onshore tax haven of sorts - the City of London: https://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/02/london-corporat...

This article is a really fun read, but it is fundamentally mendacious: the City is not, in fact, a tax haven. You can't dodge tax, as a person or a company, by moving to the City, or being involved with the City in some special way.

There are certainly people in the City who will help you move your money into tax havens. But then there are people in Loughborough who will do that, and we don't describe Loughborough as a tax haven.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by twic » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:13 AM UTC

pro_zac wrote: post #60

SamReidHughes wrote: post #7

You could tell, because there's no way their motorcycle race would be allowed in the UK. I was halfexpecting this article to tell us they still used pre-decimalized currency.

The TT is the only reason I know of the Isle of Man. The current lap record is 16 minutes 42 seconds at an average speed of 135mph! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man_TT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNXCJt7K3Q

And:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Isle_of_Man_TT_Mountai...

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by lawlessone » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:18 AM UTC

marcus_holmes wrote: post #68

peteretep wrote: post #15

Isle of Man has zero percent corporate tax on (most) money earned outside the Isle of Man, which includes money earned in the UK. If you're a non-resident citizen of the UK, you can deposit your dividends from your Isle of Man company in your UK bank account, tax free. For the time being, IOM companies have GB VAT numbers, and a banking system that integrates seamlessly with the UK one, as well as a postal system (qu…

I lived for four years in the IoM, had an amazing time (until Bushy's closed anyway). But in the process, I opened an IoM bank account to pay my salary into. I carried on using this account for years afterwards (it was with the IoM branch of a UK bank). I benefited from not paying any tax on the interest on my savings account, because tax haven. Not a huge perk, but a nice one anyway. And then, in the wake of the tax…

>The final bill came to about fifty quid,

I'm thinking you weren't really who they wanted to target anyway.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by twic » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:18 AM UTC

laurieg wrote: post #6

sorokod wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am familiar with Camden and Mornington Crescent area, but "Shades of Mornington Crescent"?

Mornington Crescent is a station the you only stop at going one direction on the London underground. If you go in the other direction it disappears. Here it's being used as a short-hand for a complex situation/set of rules. The usage is probably drawn from the fact there was a comedy radio programme in the UK that played a ridiculous game involving many sets of convoluted rules upon rules and the name of the game was…

> Mornington Crescent is a station the you only stop at going one direction on the London underground. If you go in the other direction it disappears.

I'm not sure if this is a valiant attempt to confuse Americans, but this isn't true. Trains stop in both directions.

A reason it might not seem like that is that there are two branches of the Northern line running in parallel between Euston and Camden Town, and Mornington Crescent is only on one of them. So depending on which way you turn when you reach the southbound platform at Camden, you may or may not pass through Mornington Crescent on your way into town.

Re: The Isle of Man is not in the UK

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Post by arethuza » Thu, Oct 10, 2019, 10:19 AM UTC

oska wrote: post #46

baddox wrote: post #31

I’m relatively familiar with the geography, but why oh why, in an article with this headline and subject, is there not, before anything else, a map indicating the UK and the Isle of Man?

Here's one [1] that shows it as part of the Kingdom of the Isles at the end of the 11th century. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Mann_and_the_I...

When the Kingdom of the Isles was merged into Scotland there was a noble title of Lord of the Isles - which eventually was nabbed by the Royals themselves and is currently held by Prince Charles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_the_Isles