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The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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"If you want to know who rules over you look at who you are not allowed to criticize"

You can criticize China, but then you lose their dollars. So in the end, the thing that rules over you is actually money.

Same as China and USA. China can criticize USA, but they will lose money.

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post #52

"If you want to know who rules over you look at who you are not allowed to criticize"

You are free to do anything you want. You just have be responsible for the result. It is just how everything works.

This can only become partly true if you're using a definition of "free" that's so broad, it becomes meaningless. Even then, we all live in societies that preclude us from choosing to do certain things. In the US, I can't buy anything from North Korea, for example.

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#73

US companies are increasingly "owned" by the Chinese government through Chinese investment. None of them are willing to risk the financial backlash that would occur if they spoke out against the Chinese government - so they are willing to censor their own platforms and sacrifice their own stakeholders and users to please them.

If nothing else, we should be thanking China for exposing the bullshit "end of history" promises of neoliberalism and globalization: namely, that more free trade and laissez-faire capitalism will automatically lead to democracy spreading everywhere. Actually, no: companies are pure amoral profit-seekers, and so if the most important market in the world demands these companies fall in line, then they do, freedom and W…

In fact China proves that capitalism (of a "curated" kind), can be successfully decoupled from Western values. And capitalism has proven that Communism (of the CCP kind), cares more about authority over it's citizens than the democratic engagement of it's citizens (and by this, I'm implying that the bread-and-circuses of capitalism can be used as a lever to stifle dissent, through sufficient satisfaction of materialistic desires).

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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China is offended by him offering an opinion on something. So, that makes them right? I'm offended by his backpedaling. That makes me right, right? China really needs to get a grip and understand that with seven billion people in the world, not everyone is going to agree with everything it wants.

>China really needs to get a grip and understand that with seven billion people in the world, not everyone is going to agree with everything it wants 1.4 billion of those people are Chinese, and they can get outaged over whatever ridiculous shit they want.

It's controlled outrage. The Chinese government controls what they see and therefore where the outrage is directed towards. The average Chinese person either doesn't know about Tinanmen or agrees with it, but are outraged by this.

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#75
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China's economic tactic is to convert their manipulated currency into dollars. China is desperate for dollars. No one trades in or trusts RMB.

Except when they need to buy anything from China. Or are all those factories an illusion as well?

Isn't that conducted in dollars?

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If the NBA were big in Spain, and the guy had said "Fight for Freedom, Stand with Catalonia", I expect he would have had to apologize too. The government is more involved in China, because the government is more involved with everything in China, but there are few countries in the world where people don't get mad at foreigners wading into touchy political issues.

> government is more involved with everything in China There lies in the difference. In Spain, it would be the people demanding it. In China, its the authoritative government that is not only demanding but also threatening. Its not quite apples to apples.

How do you know that? How many Chinese people have you talked with?

Re: The NBA Feels a Backlash in China After a Tweet Supporting Hong Kong

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post #58

China is offended by him offering an opinion on something. So, that makes them right? I'm offended by his backpedaling. That makes me right, right? China really needs to get a grip and understand that with seven billion people in the world, not everyone is going to agree with everything it wants.

If American are offended by the violation of free speech, they should boycott NBA like the Chinese do.

Americans can do more than boycott. Americans can use their votes to influence the league. The stadiums are here. Our politicians determine their taxes. The AAU is here. The NCAA too. If the Chinese think they have parity in power over our leagues, this is going to be a very useful object lesson in what's what.

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Could be an interesting market niche for a studio that makes movies that unapologetically espouses western values and doesn't take any money from nondemocratic funders. See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out.

> See if it's possible to earn a profit without selling out. Unfortunately it's not possible. Nearly everyone on HN would rather invest in a total stock market index fund, simply because it gives better returns. How much different? Approximately 1% more. So there you have it. People will sell out for 1% of their portfolio. Myself included.

Oh come on that's not fair. Me choosing a passive index that doesn't pay someone to guess the market again(because I've already chosen my entry into the market) is not me cheaping out.

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post #39

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China's economic tactic is to convert their manipulated currency into dollars. China is desperate for dollars. No one trades in or trusts RMB.

Except when they need to buy anything from China. Or are all those factories an illusion as well?

I buy from China as part of my job and we usually either buy in Hong Kong dollars, US dollars or RMB and dump the RMB as soon as possible. One of the reasons that HK exists in its current form is to allow us to easily dump RMB.

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post #76

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> government is more involved with everything in China There lies in the difference. In Spain, it would be the people demanding it. In China, its the authoritative government that is not only demanding but also threatening. Its not quite apples to apples.

How do you know that? How many Chinese people have you talked with?

Because it is not democratically elected.
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