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Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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The dual screens look like a marketing gimmick in search of an actual use...

Mostly I agree with this sentiment. I'd argue it falls into the "we are doing this b/c we can" and "cheap easy marketing coverage" buckets.

How cheap and easy is it to come up to develop a new version (even if it is a reskin) of Windows 10 and dual screen hardware? Surely it cost more in engineering than the marketing coverage they are getting.

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For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate!

I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and this dual screen laptop trend is exactly what I wanted! I'm definitely upgrading to a dual screen option next.

Although I have no hope from Apple, I'm still waiting to see what the next MBP iteration would be. All they need to do is stretch that stupid touchbar enough to be a respectable second screen.

[1] - https://www.asus.com/Laptops/ZenBook-Pro-Duo-UX581GV/

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One thing I’m looking forward to in regular laptops is handling of change in monitor hardware state when docking and undocking. It can take a while for the system to figure things out, other times it’s a hard reset... all that said, it’s handled better than mosx which has a frustrating relationship with multiple external displays.

> it’s handled better than mosx which has a frustrating relationship with multiple external displays. I have two external displays, one over thunderbolt and one HDMI, and the Mac seems to have no trouble putting my windows where they belong whether I'm on just the laptop screen, just one external monitor or both. What I've found though is the trick seems to be to make sure you have all your monitors plugged in before…

This works well enough for me on Windows 10, but I have similar issues to you with MacOS

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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I don’t understand the appeal but if there’s a market for it, it must be somewhere I never thought to look.

I use my Surface with a pen running OneNote as a notebook quite a bit. The main use case for me is as my notebook in Farsi classes but I think it would work well in most classroom situations where you want to take freeform digital notes and perhaps mix them with sketches. When using it as a notebook the keyboard is folded away and having a second screen could be useful, the most obvious use case to me is having reference material on one screen while making notes on the other.

The nice thing about the Surface is that you can use it as a full Windows laptop as well and with the keyboard add on it looks like the Neo should work for that as well. Given these devices are quite expensive but also very portable it's nice to have that all in one functionality, particularly when taking short work trips.

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They have already tried this one. It didn't end well.

Exactly; they got that out of their system with Windows RT. (And apparently the upcoming Windows 10 for ARM will ship with Win32 support via emulation.)

Windows 10 on ARM has been shipping for over a year, and it has an x86 (but not x86-64) emulator.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/

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It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning For example, perfect butterfly keyboards.

3 months in and the touch bar stopped working, it just doesn't light up. It's a work laptop so it is going for a replacement, backing up my data as I type this.

Also, some keys double type :( Perfect my ass.

PS: I know you are being sarcastic

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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For people saying dual screen is a gimmick, have you not wanted to replicate multi-screen setup on your laptop (while traveling or when not on your desktop)? Power users have always wanted more screen real estate! I've been eyeing the Asus Zenbook Pro Duo[1] ever since they've been announced (currently using a Macbook Pro 2015). I usually carry around an Asus portable second screen for my laptop in my backpack and th…

It might be useful if there was a decent mobile OS that ran on it and also had an overlapping window manager.

Honestly the OS is way more interesting than the hardware.

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These guys just can not figure out a branding/marketing scheme that won't require overexplaining each time to figure out, and confusion by the consumer. What is a "Surface" if it's really 2 different things, with very similar names, that do completely different things and run incompatible operating systems?

They want to tell us that "this doesn't matter to consumers", but this is just another way of saying "we're only interested in actually marketing to consumers that can't tell the difference".

It's interesting to see Apple doing the opposite these days. In the consumer facing keynote the meticulously separate Watch, iPhone, iPad, Mac, and TV with the capabilities and apps that run on each.

Then they have their dev keynote where they explain how these apps are really all based on shared technology and can all be made using the same new frameworks and then released to each app store for users.

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Meanwhile, I'm still dealing with random scaling bugs from connecting external monitors with lower pixel density to my high pixel density Surface Pro devices. Only thing that really "fixes" it is setting a custom scaling factor of 100% and reducing the Surface's resolution to make it still readable. (Then I end up with black bars along the edges, as the lower resolution options aren't the same 3:2 aspect ratio as the…

Strangely enough I have no issues doing this with Windows 10, but always have issues with my MBP! Occasionally it even crashes when I plug in external monitors.

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It reminds me how the first Surface Pro looked like. It was incomplete and useless device so it didn't go well. However, Microsoft didn't give up. After three iterations Microsoft finally made Surface Pro 3, which was the first useful Windows tablet with a cleverly designed keyboard and a great 3:2 ratio screen. The surface line finally took off and third-parties began to make "surface-like" products since then. Micr…

> Microsoft is not like Apple. They don't make perfect products at the beginning For example, perfect butterfly keyboards.

They perfectly emulate the fragility of real butterflies.
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