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Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#71
Another android phone.

These are all just wrappers around the latest qualcomm snapdragon with whatever twist the hardware manufacture wants to add. Basic functionality in all of them will be badly broken and there's more or less nothing you can do to fix it.

At least the iphone ships with an ssh client and scripting environment now. (not that I'm an iphone fan, it has it's own problems.)

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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It looks nice in theory. I’d like to see it also support some version of win10. I might get one regardless, but if it ran win10, it’d be a slam dunk.

Google introduced project Treble in Android O and P to allow Android to work against a HAL to basically decouple the underlying Linux Kernel and drivers from the over arching Android Framework. There was speculation that this would enable Google to swap out the Linux Kernel for Fuschia when it becomes available. The Windows NT Kernel has had a HAL and the ability to do this since it's inception in the 90s. Microsoft…

Best mad theory I've seen in a while.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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Personally I don't see the attractive in dual screen devices unless we reach Westworld-like devices that are super thin and can go from phone to large tablet that can potentially replace a laptop. Otherwise it's just a thick phone that converts to 2 phones... In case anyone hasn't seen Westworld: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3dD7jOLaes

I'm excited for two reasons.

I find the ability to completely "close" my phone really appealing. It feels easier to ignore it, and the screens feel more protected to me.

I can also only describe the second benefit as "its like two monitors". I can watch TV on one and respond to messages/browse on another. I use a Note8+ already, so big screens for watching crap are already my preference though.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#75

It took almost 30 years since the kernel was released, but Microsoft is officially releasing something with a Linux based operating system. Pretty wild to think about.

From their original stance against FOSS, yes pretty wild.

From UNIX point of view, not so much, given that they were one of the first licensees for PC hardware with Xenix.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#76

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No. Microsoft is much better at handling an ecosystem than Amazon. As far as I can tell, MS is using standard Android with Google Play Services(?) Amazon was trying to create its own ecosystem.

Amazon has a nice suite of services. A phone that has Music, Books, Shopping, Cloud Storage for Photos, and a few key apps (Uber, Lyft, popular games) but somewhat constrained otherwise, would be great for Seniors or people who don't need a high-performance general-purpose computer in their pocket.

How would that be any different than what they tried with the Fire Phone? You can already buy cheap Android phones that can do all of those things using either Google’s services or Amazon services

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#77
Between this and the Samsung Fold it feels like we have entered into the netbook (form factor) era* void. We're past peak smartphone development and are in this space where manufacturers are stumbling around for the next "it" device but creating nothing that is truly revolutionary. Yes, there are "some" use cases where a larger screen on my mobile device would be useful…. But by-and-large I still want it to fit in my pocket and be comfortable navigating single handedly . Adding dual screen & doubling the device thickness is not the solution I am looking for.

*Netbooks were low-powered mobile devices (basically mini laptops) that launched in 2007 and basically disappeared (as a viable market category) after the iPad and its kind were launched in 2010.

EDIT added "form factor" for clarification

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#78
post #47

Personally I don't see the attractive in dual screen devices unless we reach Westworld-like devices that are super thin and can go from phone to large tablet that can potentially replace a laptop. Otherwise it's just a thick phone that converts to 2 phones... In case anyone hasn't seen Westworld: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3dD7jOLaes

I'm excited for two reasons. I find the ability to completely "close" my phone really appealing. It feels easier to ignore it, and the screens feel more protected to me. I can also only describe the second benefit as "its like two monitors". I can watch TV on one and respond to messages/browse on another. I use a Note8+ already, so big screens for watching crap are already my preference though.

Eh I'm not too interested in multitasking on my phone. Even on my 12.9 iPad Pro multitasking is mediocre. If I want to be productive I simply go to a laptop or desktop.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

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post #71

Another android phone. These are all just wrappers around the latest qualcomm snapdragon with whatever twist the hardware manufacture wants to add. Basic functionality in all of them will be badly broken and there's more or less nothing you can do to fix it. At least the iphone ships with an ssh client and scripting environment now. (not that I'm an iphone fan, it has it's own problems.)

> Basic functionality in all of them will be badly broken and there's more or less nothing you can do to fix it.

I disagree.

The performance and battery life differences between different phones running the same chipset is insane.

Read through https://www.anandtech.com/show/14716/the-black-shark-2-revie...

For some benchmarks, the top phones are 50% faster! Storage benchmarks (not shown in that particular review) can be even more dramatic. Battery life differences can be huge (multiple hours) at the same capacity.

Each manufacturer customizes the heck out of the kernel, and also attached firmware. LTE speeds can vary dramatically with "the same antennas". Same for WiFi speeds.

The current Android phone I am using works great. It is surprisingly fluid and rather nice to use, though I'd argue Windows Phone 7 was still nicer (or at least more fun) to use, that ship has long since sailed.

Re: Microsoft announces new Surface Duo phone

#80

It took almost 30 years since the kernel was released, but Microsoft is officially releasing something with a Linux based operating system. Pretty wild to think about.

They've had Linux Azure offerings for quite a few years, and famously contributed a fair bit of code to the Linux kernel to make some of that possible.

They also released those Nokia branded Android devices.

It is not like MS has been doing consumer hardware releases for that long or anything!

It'll be interesting to see the support, IMHO one thing that keeps people (software devs and consumers) from buying into a new Android OEM that is selling an "Ecosystem" (e.g. Samsung Note) is the fear of a product line being dropped.

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