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Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by cortesoft »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #45
thfuran wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's already illegal, then I don't see how a right to be forgotten changes anything in that case.

It means the search engines can't stick their fingers in their ears and ignore real people's legitimate needs to put their past mistakes behind them.

What about people's legitimate need to share the wrongs that people have done to them? Or people's legitimate need to know someone's history?

Imagine you meet someone on a dating site, and they assault you on your date. They serve their time, and now have a 'right to be forgotten'.

Do future potential dates not get to know that their date that night has been convicted of assault against someone else, also on a first date? Am I not allowed to warn those people?

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by libertine »

temporaryvector wrote: post #64

The reason I don't like 'right to be forgotten' laws because it feels like it's using the law as a blunt instrument to solve a problem that is cultural in nature. The reason such a law is required is often stated as "What if I, a changed person, am still haunted by something I did 20 years ago?" which to me seems more of a problem with our culture failing to adapt to new technologies. The world changed too rapidly an…

I don't think it's a cultural thing, simply because across time when ever you wanted someone to be remembered, or their actions, you would still do it no matter the medium - word of mouth, paper, stone.

The problem is bound to the internet medium: how information is spread, indexed and stored, while being cheap - so cheap we can almost claim it's free.

It's not a matter of one being a changed person or not. It's simply your right to not have your information indexed, with no intrinsic value attached to it.

People wouldn't be featured on an old mass media like newspaper unless such person was "news-worthy" in the eyes of journalists that had to a code of conduct.

The internet has no morals or code of conduct.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by rolltiide »

cortesoft wrote: post #67
rolltiide wrote: post #5

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> I should be able to talk about my experience with someone else in a public forum, even if that information is something that person doesn't want others to know. Europe right to be forgotten only applies to publicly indexed searches, not the content - according to the top court Nothing you said seems to be the reality that exists So just bookmark a page and revisit it later, the tools have existed since the 90s

So I can write about it, but I can't help anyone find it to read? I am not saying I have the right to a personal diary, I am saying I should have the right to tell my story to whoever I want, and to share it however widely I want, and to help other people find what I have to say however I want.

You still have that right, stop making up arm chair legalese. Your Search Engine Optimization is supposed to fail within the EU. Telling people in person, telling people in group chats, telling people anywhere you want is fine.

According to the top court, the different service indexing all that stuff, within the EU, has to de-reference.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by VBprogrammer »

Hitton wrote: post #51
VBprogrammer wrote: post #38

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Honestly I'm not sure. If you don't allow someone the opportunity to reform aren't you strong arming then into continuing their criminal behaviour?

I'm not denying ability to reform to anyone, they just will have to forthcoming about their past and persuade the other party that they have changed and to give them a chance. Definitely better than for instance giving child molester chance to molest another child, defrauder to defraud another victim and so on.

I think child molestation and other sexual offences are normally dealt with via alternative means. In the UK there is a sex offenders register as well as background checks for people working with children etc.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by kd3 »

umvi wrote: post #29
kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

> When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember? Yes, but only if it is possible to index/search/dump the contents of people's brains. In that case we are walking video cameras violating people's privacy everywhere we go, and it is only logical that we should mandate people get their brains wiped of privacy infringing information. How would you like it if peopl…

Umvi: Is there privacy in a public space? If you do something in public, how is that private? You expect to silence people about something you did in public?

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by tuscen »

krapp wrote: post #22
iamtheworstdev wrote: post #11

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Who benefits if we legally create the ability to delete history?

The internet is not, nor was it ever, intended to provide the world a canonical and immutable record of "history." To claim that deleting content from the internet is tantamount to "deleting history" is absurd. It's always been legal for a search engine or a website to unpublish or remove content. The only thing the right to be forgotten does is establish that a person has some form of ownership over content that's p…

The internet is effectively history. Real history started with the internet. So deleting something from the internet is deleting history.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by tobr »

kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

Please. No one is literally requiring you to stop remembering things. It’s about scrubbing sensitive information from certain public databases. There are all sorts of other limits on what type of information you are allowed to publish in what circumstances, and none of it applies to your actual memories.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by tobr »

tuscen wrote: post #69
s_dev wrote: post #39

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You can still remember -- you're just restricted from publishing or storing insecurely. Privacy effectively means the right to be left alone.

So am I restricted to tell you what I know about someone?

Under specific circumstances, yeah.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by datenhorst »

kd3 wrote: post #23

What about my right to remember?? What right does anyone else have to demand that you forget something? Do they have more say about your body than you yourself? If so, you are a slave. When tech merges with brains will they demand intrusion to delete what they don't want you to remember?

Come on now, if you "remembered" anyway, surely you'd have nothing against the information being removed from an index?

This is more about the right not to have everything you ever did tattooed on your forehead.

Re: Europeans have a 'right to be forgotten' online. Should Canadians?

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

cortesoft wrote: post #71
hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means the search engines can't stick their fingers in their ears and ignore real people's legitimate needs to put their past mistakes behind them.

What about people's legitimate need to share the wrongs that people have done to them? Or people's legitimate need to know someone's history? Imagine you meet someone on a dating site, and they assault you on your date. They serve their time, and now have a 'right to be forgotten'. Do future potential dates not get to know that their date that night has been convicted of assault against someone else, also on a first…

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